동아시아의 평화와 화해의 정치학 Scrapbook: Gaza City Palestine 1934 vs 1944년 텔아비브

Gaza City Palestine 1934 with zero xionist back then

이 이미지는 1944년 팔레스타인 위임통치령 시기 텔아비브의 해변과 도시 전경을 담고 있습니다.

사진 속 도시는 현재 이스라엘의 주요 도시인 텔아비브입니다.

1944년 당시 텔아비브는 영국 위임통치령 팔레스타인의 일부였습니다.

이 시기는 제2차 세계대전 중이었으며, 홀로코스트 생존자들이 유럽을 떠나 팔레스타인으로 이주하려는 움직임이 활발했던 시기입니다.

텔아비브는 1909년 유대인 가족들에 의해 설립되었으며, 1944년에는 이미 현대적인 도시로 성장해 있었습니다.

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Limson Salim

They invited snakes to their homes.

Robert Fabry

A 2021 study by the New York Genome Center found that the predominant component of the DNA of modern Palestinians matches that of Bronze Age Palestinians (Canaanites) from around 2500–1700 BCE.

Dr. Areilla Oppenheim at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, did the first extensive DNA study in 2001 of Israelis & Palestinians, and concluded that the emigrants on ships to Palestine before it became Israel were of Mongol 40% & Turkish 40% genome. They had no Semitic blood associated with the original Hebrews from the Middle East of 4,000 years ago in Jerusalem, or Biblical territory.

This was confirmed by another DNA project by Dr. Eran Elhaik at the McKusick-Namans Institute of Genetic Medicine at the John Hopkins University of School of Medicine, in 2012. His conclusions were the same!*

The Askenanzi never migrated out of the Middle East!

Not, in any case, as though they are pure lineal descendants. Their 3% E. Mediterranean heredity on average is only one point higher than the 2% average Neanderthal heredity of all populations outside of Africa.

Meanwhile, extensive genetic research has found the Palestinians to be 80% more-or-less, Semitic. More recently, in 2014, technology capable of sequencing deteriorated ancient DNA was developed. Subsequent research demonstrates that Palestinians are descended primarily from the native Bronze Age semitic population. In effect, real Israelites.

The white Jews whose ancestors embarked on ships in 1882 to Palestine before it was named Israel---are not biblical Israelites. These are descendants of Germans, Russians, Poles, Austrians, Georgians, Khazars, etc. It is not surprising in the least that they deny this scientific evidence. The colony has even prohibited commercial DNA tests in order to suppress this knowledge

The real history of the newly established "Israel" in 1947 is no secret today!

RuEd Jon

Robert Fabry Yes, it is very obvious.

Ari Nestel S

Robert Fabry where is that actual fact??? Let me guess your dog ate your homework

RuEd Jon

The State of Israel is not a recreation of the Kingdom of Israel, a prehistoric theocratic monarchy that occupied Canaan. Gaza was never part of Israel; it was part of the original Palestine of the Philistines. Jews are technically Judeans of the Tribe of Judah, among the last remnant of ancient prehistoric Judea. The 10 tribes of ancient Israel are essentially extinct but traces of them remain in Asia. Modern Israelis are not Israelites but some may have Judean and Israelite ancestry. Many modern Israelis have one or two ancestors of Judean lineage but otherwise are of varied ethnicity. The State of Israel is located in Palestine, an historical country named for the Philistines. State of Israel is named after prehistoric Israel but has no direct correlation to that monarchy. Jews are not a race or ethnicity but a religious heritage class of people from at least two dozen ethnic groups. Palestinians are not entirely of Philistine ancestry but many are of Samaritan, Canaanite, Judean, Arab and Egyptian heritage. Palestinian is a nationality, not an ethnicity.

RuEd Jon

Deborah Swartz Yes, the Kingdom of Israel is to us a prehistoric monarchy with no extant records except the Scriptures of the Hebrews, namely the Torah and the Tanakh. Judea, on the other hand is an historic monarchy with written records copied from earlier written records. So, what I'm saying is, even though the Kingdom of Israel probably existed, It isn't attested in written records except the Hebrew Bible. Judea has written records in various nations. The Jews are Judeans of the Tribe of Judah. The 10 lost tribes of Israel who lived in the so- called Northern Kingdom of Israel disappeared from history and no trace of them remains to tell their journey. Judeans on the other hand returned to Jerusalem and built the Second Temple after a long sojourn in Babylonia. Modern Jews are varied and mixed with various nations and their maternal lineage has been broken by long centuries in other lands. Some are converts and have no direct ancestral ties to ancient Judea.

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Henrik Rasmussen Palestine was the common name of Israel throughout the 19th century. We have several towns and villages in the US named Palestine. I lived in one founded in 1838 in Hancock County, Indiana.

RuEd Jon

Ari Nestel S Palestinian is the name of an ancient people called Philistines. They may have come from islands in the Aegean. The name Palestine would be Gaza today with an enlarged area. The name was later applied to the whole region. Palestinians are partly Samaritan, partly Canaanite, partly Judean, partly Arab and Egyptian. Some of them are descendants of the Franks who came during the time of the Crusaders.

RuEd Jon

John Daniel I've studied this issue for 15 years. You have to go by evidence.

RuEd Jon

Liam No idea what you mean.

RuEd Jon

Coralia Coralia I didn't say it didn't exist but the evidence is scant.

Graeme Lee

Robert Fabry and there mentality is still pre historic

Catherine Ellerbe

hahahaha

. You guys don’t have nothing.

Caryn Oresky

Robert Fabry Fake news.

Barak Cohen

Robert Fabry both Ashkenazi Jews and Arab Jews have significant DNA connections to the Middle East, particularly the Levant region. Genetic studies indicate that a substantial portion of the DNA of both groups originates from this area, reflecting their shared ancestry.

Ashkenazi Jews:

Middle Eastern Ancestry:

Genetic research shows that Ashkenazi Jews share a significant amount of Middle Eastern ancestry with other Jewish populations, including Sephardic and Mizrahi Jews, who have strong Middle Eastern and North African roots.

Levantine Origins:

A substantial portion of Ashkenazi Jewish DNA, estimated at least half, traces back to the Levant region of the Middle East, which is where the Jewish people's ethnogenesis occurred thousands of years ago.

European Admixture:

While they have a strong Middle Eastern base, Ashkenazi Jews also have some European admixture due to migrations and intermarriages in Europe over the centuries.

Arab Jews:

Shared Ancestry:

Genetic research has identified a link between Jews and Palestinians, suggesting a common ancestry dating back thousands of years.

Middle Eastern Roots:

Arab Jews, like other Jewish groups, have deep-seated Middle Eastern roots, particularly from the Levant.

Geographic Proximity:

Studies have shown that some Jewish and Arab groups cluster together on genetic maps, indicating close proximity in their genetic makeup, further supporting the shared ancestry.

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Adrian Shaingurten

that's not gaza lol

Amichai Magen

Bauhaus architecture, clearly we are looking at an Arab Palestinian city

Johnny Mancilla

That's tel Aviv coastline lol

Joseph Barrett Contractors

Hello.. can you show me to the hamas hotel please..

Ran Bornfeld

So funny

this is an old pic of the center boardwalk of Tel Aviv the garden in the pic today is a parking lot some of the buildings are still there

But … what can you expect

Shiraz Malik

Ran Bornfeld That’s a great question. At first glance, the architecture and seafront style could definitely resemble early Tel Aviv (especially the Bauhaus/International-style apartment blocks and the curved corniche), so your doubt makes sense.

Here’s why this is not Tel Aviv and instead Gaza City’s Rimal seafront:

1. Scale & Skyline

• Tel Aviv in the 1950s–60s already had a much taller and denser skyline with mid-rise hotels along the beachfront (e.g., Dan Hotel, Shalom Tower by the mid-60s).

• This photo shows low to mid-rise modernist blocks only, which matches Gaza at the time rather than Tel Aviv.

2. Promenade Layout

• The Gaza seafront had a wider, landscaped corniche with gardens and roundabouts leading directly to the sand.

• Tel Aviv’s tayelet (promenade) ran tighter against the first row of buildings, with less of that wide garden buffer.

3. Historical Postcards

• Nearly identical photos of this exact view exist in 1960s Gaza postcards, specifically showing the Rimal beachfront with its distinctive terraced apartments and the seafront road curving in the same way.

So—while the styles are similar (since both cities were built in the same Mediterranean modernist wave), this image is from Gaza City, mid-20th century, not Tel Aviv.

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Fred Cunningham

Isn't that Tel Aviv?

Kurt Allan Jakobsen

Sorry... Pale what?

Daniela Alagón

Kurt Allan Jakobsen everyone hates Israel now. Good luck travelling outside of your made up country

Gaby L P Lubis

Kurt Allan Jakobsen beautiful Palestine

Shaina Shaw

Kurt Allan Jakobsen only Americans think the way you do. Any other country would highly disagree.

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Koussar Khan

Kurt Allan Jakobsen whole Israel is a Palestine

Jun Wei

Kurt Allan Jakobsen sorry..is there a knock on the door of gas chamber?

Gustavo Joaquin Calizaya Leon

Kurt Allan Jakobsen jew

Serkan Gündüz

Kurt Allan Jakobsen yeah keep lying

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Steven Zindel

Trump’s hotels weren’t needed back then.

Mondira Sengupta

These photos show what a beautiful city it was and it behooves us to recognize that Palestinians have a culture rich in history , eduction, food, dance , art and music. Cannot erase this in memory

Ibrahim Salih

3000 years ago

Thune Kirk

As much as it is true that Palestinians are a people, whether they are Christian, Muslim, Druze, Samaritan or Jewish, it is equally wrong to call the city in the picture for Gaza. In the picture we see the city of Ahuzat Bayit/Tel Aviv.

Before the creation of Tel Aviv, the area was covered in sand and the Arab city of Jaffa was the largest city in the area.

(With neighbouring small villages like: Al-Manshiyya, Al-Jammasin al-Gharbi, Al-Jammasin al-Sharqi, Al-Shaykh Muwannis, Salama, Al-Khayriyya, Summeil, Al-Mas’udiyya)

Tel Aviv was established as a Jewish suburb of Jaffa, where Palestinian Jews could live in isolation from Palestinian Arabs. Everyone who lived and had a residence permit in the area before 1948 was, of course, Palestinian. Throughout the 1920s and 1930s, more and more Jews immigrated to Tel Aviv and the city developed into an economic, cultural, political and military centre for the Jewish population of Palestine. If you look closely at the picture, you can also clearly see a lot of architecture in the typical "Bauhaus style" - which characterises Tel Aviv. A style associated with the 1930s - not the ancient architecture found in the centre of cities like Gaza etc.

When we debate, it is important that each of us is on top of the subject and that we make an effort to provide correct information. Especially in a conflict as important as the Israeli-Palestinian one.

Let's accommodate all people everywhere on the planet. Not fighting each other, but making room; and living peacefully together regardless of everything else.

The photo was taken by Zoltan Kluger on 30 April 1947 and shows the coast from Tel Aviv from the air.

Peace out

Yehonatan Cohen

What was name of the Palestinian leader? What was their coin?

Given Jade

the design is not very Palestinians

look at the beach design guys

Stephanie Bal

You’re right to frame it as Tel Aviv, British Mandate Palestine (not yet Israel).

Most precise dating I can give: mid-1930s (about 1935–1938).

Why:

The photo shows the first seafront promenade (the early Herbert-Samuel/Tayelet), which the city decided to build in the late 1930s and opened in 1939—so it’s right around that period.

At the lower right there appears to be the beachfront café/complex commonly called the Galei-Aviv “Casino.” That structure stood through the 1930s and was demolished in 1939, so if it’s present the photo must be pre-1939.

The hotels fronting Herbert Samuel Quay (e.g., San Remo/Warshavsky cluster) are documented on that stretch by 1935, which fits the dense “White City” streetscape you see here.

So, taken together, the location is the Tel Aviv seafront along Herbert-Samuel (near today’s Aviv/Jerusalem beaches), and the era is **mid-1930s—very likely 1935–1938—under the British Mandate for Palestine.**