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The Shadow World: Inside the Global Arms Trade
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Based on the book The Shadow World, this feature length documentary reveals the shocking realities of the multi-billion dollar global arms trade, through whistleblowers, investigators, prosecutors, and military insiders.
Director: Johan Grimonprez
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♪ so bring on the light fantastic ♪ I'll show you ♪ if you should ask it ♪ let's dance together till morning ♪
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- Got a terrific view of the kick mist With the CDR now appearing from behind me.
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- Still... We are at war. I'm responsible for the deployment of thousands
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Of young Americans, to battle in a distant land. And some will kill.
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And some will be killed. And so I come here with an acute sense
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Of the costs of armed conflict. Filled with difficult questions about
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The relationship between war and peace, And our effort to replace one with the other.
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- Okay Crib we copy that. We've got TV pictures again.
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- hefty, black control systems.
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- They were five months into World War I, Both sides were in trenches. They were just mass slaughter across the landscape.
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Men were standing up sleeping. They were in their own feces, and their Dead comrades were sitting there in no man's land.
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They couldn't even get them and Bring them back for burial. It was christmas eve and the german high command
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Had sent little christmas trees. It was like a stage set, all of a sudden Across the german front, you saw
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These little Christmas trees lighting up, And then the allies heard silent night Being sung by the germans.
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And they started applauding. And then all of a sudden a couple of guys
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On both sides get out of the trenches And start walking toward each other. - And expecting any moment to fall flat
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Through the machine guns opening up. And nothing happened.
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And within two hours we were walking about, And laughing and talking and there Was nothing from the german lines.
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- hundreds get out of the trenches. Then thousands get out of the trenches, And they embraced each other, 100,000 men.
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- All no man's land as far as we could see. It was grey and cocky. The early were smoking and talking.
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Shaking hands, exchanging names and Addresses for after the war, to write to one another.
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- Everybody back in your trenches, you know. And shouting, the generals behind must have seen it,
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And got a bit suspicious. So what they did, they gave orders For a battery of guns behind us to fire.
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And officers fired their revolvers at the Gerry's, you know. Course that started the war again.
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Woah we were crushing 'em to hell.
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- this was a war to end all wars. This was the war to make the world safe for democracy.
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Billions and billions of dollars would be piled up by a few.
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Munition makers, ship builders, meat packers.
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And let us not forget the bankers, Who financed the great war, who turned blood into gold.
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And their profits were as secret as they were immense. All of them are looking ahead to war.
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- I stand before you tonight In my red star chiffon evening gown...
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My face softly made up, and my fair hair gently waved.
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The Iron Lady of the western world.
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- The Al-Yamamah deal was this Extraordinary deal between the United Kingdom And Saudi Arabia, in which Ronald Regean wanted to
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Sell the Saudis billions and billions Dollars worth of equipment.
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But the Israeli lobby stopped it. And congress wouldn't approve it, Because they feared arming Saudi would threaten Israel.
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So Ronald Reagan handed the deal over, effectively, To his political soul mate, Margaret Thatcher.
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- You ain't seen nothing yet. - You are a very tough act to follow.
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- When we stumbled on the Saudi arms deal, The Al-Yamamah arms deal, we really started
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To stumble on a central feature of british politics, Over the last 30 years.
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- His royal highness, Prince Bandar, Has been at the heart of many of the great world
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Events of the past 30 years. I was always pleased to see him when I was prime minister,
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Because he brought me extraordinary Insights and bold proposals.
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- She informed us, she considered Saudi Arabia as a strong friend, and would Be willing to support the kingdom
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With whatever the kingdom needs. End of discussion, from there on everything Else was technical.
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- He explained to mrs. Thatcher that This was a deal with Saudi Arabia, And therefore things would end differently.
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They wanted 43 billion pounds worth of weaponry. That was 6 billion pounds in commissions.
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The vast majority, or what most people understand as bribes.
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- We will continue to work together against the terrorists, Who threaten the way of life of our citizens.
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Was a man called Eddy Cunningham, actually. He said, "I've been working for a travel company,
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"and we had a kind of slush fund, we use "to distribute to Saudis and other arabs
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"when they came to britain, for BAE, "all to help the path of arms deals along."
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When Saudi military officers would come along, He would present them with canteens of cutlery,
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That was something that they liked. Another thing they liked was girls, So he would take them out on the town,
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And get them girls. - To be honest, it seemed like quite small beer.
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Payments made, some of them for Rather un-islamic activities. Gaming chips, there were talks about call girls,
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- There's only two things that count in business my friend. Money and sex.
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The rest, you can write as much as you like, Is absolute garbage.
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You can make a weapon beautiful, depends on your secretary.
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Because, they are more distracted Looking at your secretary's ass Than thinking what the hell you're talking about.
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And that is, sometimes, all the edge you need.
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I had to use an escort agency called blue orchids, Because of the special taste of
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The chief of staff of the army, Who liked blondes with silicone tits.
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We had their secretary of the embassy Come and review the photos. And he said, "I want this one, I want this one,
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"I want this one, I want this one." I had the girls I arrived with one day before. And I said, girls, I know you've all been paid
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Handsomely for this but, do me a favor, If you get any pillow talk that is relevant Please bring it across because I could use it.
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And for each, interesting information, I will give another 3,000 year bonus. So with 60 grand, I signed a contract worth three million.
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So it wasn't bad deal. - And then my phone rang again, And it was another whistle blower and he said,
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"you have no idea what it is that you're getting into here."
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And he said, "this slush fund is much, much Our job was to look after the really high level people.
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Those who used to come to England, Who were being bribed, essentially, by BAE, Were people of the level of the head of
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The Saudi air force, who was a royal Prince. We would fly them to Los Angeles,
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And they would buy cars and dresses, And it wasn't shopping like you and I would think.
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In the end, when they gathered together all Their shopping, we would charter an entire jumbo jet
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To fly it all back to Saudi Arabia. - It was an attempt to try and trace through
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The bank accounts who the ultimate beneficiaries are That the case became really very serious,
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As the trail appeared to lead towards Senior members of the Saudi royal family.
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- The most outrageous example was that BAE, In order to smooth the way with Prince Bandar,
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At one point made him a president of a huge Commercial airliner, all of his very own.
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Which he promptly had painted in the grey And silver colors of the dallas cowboys, Who were his favorite American team.
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And he used to fly around in that, quite cheerfully.
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- The case centered on establishing the Ultimate beneficiaries of exceptionally
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Large amounts of money paid by british aerospace For consultancy services.
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- there's evidence that Mark Thatcher, Mrs. Thatcher's son, got 12 million in cash For his work as a fixer.
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- This is a fire nine mill. It's okay, it's not loaded.
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Don't worry. It's a very beautiful weapon, it's austrian made. If you want to sell on the Market,
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And you're looking probably at about 3,500 euros. - and why do you keep it in the house?
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- Because I'm a soldier. - and you can do that legally?
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- Yes and no, but yeah, more or less you can. As long as it's in the house.
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And you don't shoot the cat of the neighbor. I got nothing against money, I don't mind paying
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Bribes to politicians, it's part of the deal. The thing about politicians is that
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They're very much like prostitutes, But only more expensive.
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The politics is dictated by the whims of the arms industry. Politicians are nothing more than sales reps my dear friend.
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They have as much power as a middle Ranking executive in Lockheed Martin. At the end of the day they do what they're told.
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- When an executive goes to bribe A foreign official, he says to himself, Look I've taken a lot of risk to take this
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Five million dollars, that I'm Paying to the prime minister of xyz. He makes an arrangement with prime minister of xyz.
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I'll hand over the five million, But you take half of that five million, And you send it to the following
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Bank account in Switzerland. We'll share in this largess.
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The first time an executive does that, And he collects 2.5 million dollars,
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He says, "wow, this is a good business to be in." And within moments of that realization,
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He is now no longer in the business of selling airplanes, He's in the business of selling bribes.
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And he's now scouring the world For somebody to find to bribe.
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♪ regrets ♪ and I've had a few ♪ but then again
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♪ too few to mention ♪ I did
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♪ what I had to do ♪ and saw it through
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♪ without exemption ♪ I planned
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♪ each chartered course ♪ each careful step
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♪ along the by-way ♪ and more
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♪ much more than this ♪ I did it
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♪ my way - And then the phone rang again.
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And this was somebody who said, "you have "no idea what you're getting into." He said, "this whole BAE thing is much,
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"much bigger, goes right to the very top." What he had was something that you Never see as a journalist.
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Swiss bank records of international covert payments, Going all over the world.
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He showed me how BAE had set up a whole system With lloyds bank, under which they channeled
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Secret payments into the british Virgin Islands Offshore company called red diamond.
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And from red diamond the money went into This guy's swiss bank account, and he Then used it to distribute to the local politicians,
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Taking a big chunk for himself of course. - I mean I can certainly assure you, I mean that we, and I believe most companies
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Are not in the business of making payments Passing, as you suggest, large sums of money
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I mean it is just not the way me business is done.
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- We were actually able to publish What was our most dangerous story, that Prince Bandar Had been given not just a plane,
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But over the years, a total of one billion pounds. - We did not invent
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Corruption. I mean Adam and Eve were in heaven, And they had hanky-panky and they had to Go down to earth, so...
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And this is human nature. - I salute a Prince, a statesman,
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And a friend. - What is greed?
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Of course none of us are greedy, It's only the other fella who's greedy. This...
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The world runs on individual's Pursuing their separate interests.
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- All those people who believe that greed, Violence, et cetera, these primal, So called primal instincts, are the real instincts,
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And everything else is a social construction, They've lost their mind. And for the last 50 years, at least,
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Policy has been made based on the assumption of greed. And it's ruined the world. - Alright.
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- Mr. Reagan, if you would. - Patronites believe there is no nature of society,
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So we have to nurture individualism. I don't accept that at all. I think there are very many, good public
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Policy initiatives for creating society. Welcome to beirut.
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They are saying hello to you. There's a combination AK-47 Kalashnikov.
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A society that decides that the bulk Of it's budget is going to go to arms manufacturing,
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Building up a military, et cetera, They have made a moral decision. That militarism is more important
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Than the creation of well-being for the population.
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It's not the world I want to live in. I want to live in the real world. And the real world is people by real emotions.
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Including love and generosity. - My god, if you want, is freedom.
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The freedom of human beings, of individuals, To pursue their own values. - I think what the term freedom
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Means is economic license. And it's the economic license of those Who control property, and those who control capital,
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Has in fact been a threat, not only to equality, But a threat to the freedom of peoples
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All over the world, and not only in Europe And the United States, but in Africa, In Asia, and in Latin America.
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- I want you to name me any society In which you've had any large measure of that freedom. Where capitalism and free enterprise
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Has not been the predominate mechanism. - The free enterprise system Has spread through the force of arms,
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And those arms were wielded by governments. That was government intervention, Under the name of the free enterprise system,
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But a government intervention which destroyed The freedoms of many people. Not least of which are the people of Chile.
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- From the 1950's, all the way through the 1970's, The CIA and the U.S. Military were engaged
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In covert actions throughout central and Latin America. Throughout Africa, really throughout the world.
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Where they were assassinating populist leaders, They were backing up right-wing military juntas,
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Funding and arming death squads, like the Contras in Nicaragua, or battalion 316 in Honduras.
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And there were these spate of assassinations Across the globe.
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- In countries like mine, people have Been killed to be quiet.
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To know that any day, any time you're going to Be killed, you don't know how, but it's coming.
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We were fighting an oligarch, and still We are fighting, you know, oligarchs.
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Minds that don't want to work on inclusiveness, But just extraction.
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It's not only about taking from the earth, But taking from the people.
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Even your dreams get colonized. - The last half of what is called the cold war,
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Turned out to be a very hot war for Many parts of the world.
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From the standpoint of what Iqbal Lamet calls The victims of, what I will think of really as,
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Of people trying to make their own futures. There was an attempt in the global south
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To create an alternative imagination for people.
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But in the early 1970's, this attempt was destroyed. And it was stopped through a real, genuine attempt,
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By the global law to take over the Institutions of the world, including The world bank, the IMF.
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So, it's not simply that the people Of the south were incapable of carrying Forward their dreams.
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I use a very strong word. These dreams were assassinated.
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It's not just the one off killings, The coup here, the coup there.
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It's the entire dream that had to be killed.
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- The joint hearings of the house select Committee to investigate covert arms Transaction with Iran.
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And the select committee on secret military Assistance to Iran and the Nicaraguan opposition.
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We will come to order. - Congress began to address what they perceived To be an insanely out of control series of covert
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Actions with little to no congressional oversight. - We have been supplying lethal weapons
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To terrorist nations, involving the U.S. Government In military activities in direct contravention of the law.
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And lying to the congress. Now I believe that democracy cannot survive
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That kind of abuse.
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- And people like Dick Cheney, and Donald Rumsfeld, Who were relatively new to government at the time, Did not like when congress said we need
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To step in and confront the national security state. And what's become a very out of control kill program.
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Cheney then went on, during the Reagan years in the 80's To serve in congress, and when the Iran-contra
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Scandal broke out into the open, Cheney did not like congress being involved
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With anything that the executive branch was doing. And you had this utter scandal that
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Emanated from the highest echelons of power. And the Reagan administration was acting
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As though it had nothing to do with it. - I've told you all that I know. And you know, the truth of the matter is,
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For quite some long time, all that you knew Is what I told you. - Did they deceive you?
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You didn't answer whether they deceived you. Mr. President!
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- Our witness this morning is mr. Robert Mcfarlane, The former national security advisor to the president.
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Mr. Mcfarlane we welcome you to the Committee and we look forward to your testimony.
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- Mr. Mcfarlane, did you have any Discussion about the possibility
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Of, in effect, farming out the whole contra support Operations in Nicaragua to another country,
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Which we'll call country one? - Yes that's correct. - And did you, in fact, succeed in obtaining
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Money from another country, Which we'll call country two?
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- That's correct. I had the practice of meeting periodically
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With the official from country two, About assistance we could provide.
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In some cases arm sales. And he intended to provide a contribution
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Of a million dollars per month, to the contras, Through the end of the year.
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- You have no problems working with the CIA? - We have no problem working with the United states government, and unless
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The CIA does not work for the United States Government, then I think we have a bigger problem. - There have been occasions where some Americans
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Have questioned that, as you know. - Well thank heavens those occasions Was not in connection with Saudi Arabia.
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- I think that there was a substantial Shadow government, trying to run
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Foreign affairs for the United States. - These events have been characterized By some pretty strong statements.
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We've heard talk of a grave constitutional crISIS, And even been treated to talk about
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A coup in the White House. - Not only does Cheney, sort of, defend Iran-contra, but he argues that Iran-contra
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Is actually a model for how the U.S. Should be conducting it's national security policy.
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He is a radical subscriber to this notion Of the unitary executive. Effectively what you're doing is saying
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On certain parts of American policy We don't have a democracy, we have a dictatorship.
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- As a matter of fact I was... Very definitely involved in the decisions About support to the freedom fighters.
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My idea to begin with. - In my opinion there's no justification
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For further restrictions on the power And flexibility of future presidents.
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- The national security league today is mostly Composed of people who hit the revolving Door multiple times during their life.
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- The nomination of Richard B. Cheney To be secretary of defense is confirmed. - they make a name for themselves in the private
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Industry, and then they come into the government. This revolving door keeps the national security league
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Very small, and very wealthy. And increasing it's wealth as it goes up the chain.
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To the extent that then, when you get to the top As Cheney did, then you can become A member of the plutocracy, that runs the country too.
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- This is an impressive crowd. The have's. And the have more's.
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- Cheney commissioned a study, by Halliburton, To find out how much more of the defense department
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Could be privatized. - Halliburton. Proud to serve our troops. - Halliburton was elated to get this million
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Dollar contract, and of course returned A verdict that, "oh, mr. Secretary,
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"lots more of it can be privatized."
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- Dick Cheney leaves the defense department And goes and heads Halliburton himself. And he spends the entire 1990's, building
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Up the Halliburton war empire. - Well, if we're gonna talk about star wars,
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We might as well invite Darth Vader.
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I'm happy to accept. - Then he comes back into power as vice president, And then they start hiring Halliburton to...
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In advance even of U.S. Troops going in to Iraq, Halliburton personnel and equipment was Being deployed to the gulf.
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It's hard to look at this and not say, These guys had a very long term plan For how they were going to increase
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The powerful infrastructure of private companies.
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What we've essentially done is to create A network of corporations that have the
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Fire power of small nation-states. That could, you know, overthrow some
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Small governments around the world. - In essence, we in the United States
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Have privatized the ultimate public function, war.
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- You know bombs have got a time limit, they're like food. You know munitions has got, you know, sell-by dates.
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You gotta get rid of it.
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In Iraq, the F-16s and F-18s were firing Six million dollars within seconds,
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Coming back, re-arming and going up again.
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- There's no hope of ending war, Because there's always a small cobble Of people for whom war is really, really good business.
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It doesn't matter that we're losing the war in Afghanistan. Halliburton could care less.
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It's good for them, good for profit.
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Well we've undergone a corporate Coup d'état, in slow motion. To quote John Ralston saul.
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35,000 lobbyists in Washington, they write The legislation, they write the bills.
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- All it takes is one phone call, From somebody on the hill, to someone In the Pentagon, saying, "hey, turn on the dogs,
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"the hill's out to get our program. "the guy's in the senate aren't on board, "we need you to turn on the Gucci shoe guys
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"to straighten this thing out." The Gucci shoe guys being the lobbyists. And what this does is just lock the system up,
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And that's the whole name of the game. It's called political engineering. And unlike political science, political engineering is real.
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One of the most important things to understand, It essentially creates what we call A self-licking ice-cream cone.
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And it's like a perpetual motion machine For getting ever increasing defense budgets.
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The way we do it is by downplaying the Future consequences to start a new weapon.
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We over promise it's performance, Under promise it's cost. We then, systematically spread dollars, jobs
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And profits to as many congressional districts As quickly as possible, so that everybody Has skin in the game.
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- The people who are invested in this stage, Are people like the largest defense contractor in the world.
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Lockheed Martin. They will die before they see it go.
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- And while we don't know what's Going to change the world next,
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We're probably already working on it.
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- Lockheed Martin basically gets in Like an octopus, and lifts it's tentacles, You know, in all branches of the government.
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And then they hold them. And that's how they operate.
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They make the mafia look like a bunch of schoolboys. - Fiscal year 1999, 2.3 trillion missing.
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Fiscal year 2000, 1.1 trillion missing. The Pentagon has claimed, year after year,
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That the reason it can't account for the money Is because it's computers don't communicate With each other.
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- One trillion, one dollar bills, Stacked high would reach nearly 68,000 miles into space.
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One third of the way to the moon. - I got a phone call from the fbi
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Saying that I was a target of a death threat. And that's what happens when you go against
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The big boys. Who has the contracts today, to make Those systems communicate with each other?
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And how much have the tax payers paid for them? - There are times that corporations Do things they should not do, in which case
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They tend to be suspended for some period. There are times then that corporations Can get out of the penalty box, if you will...
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- This company was never in the penalty box. If you could proceed to my second question please.
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- The second question...
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I've forgotten what the second question was.
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- Individuals operating in the shadows, And never having their names called,
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Are able to leverage the power of the military And the foreign policy apparatus for
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Their own personal pecuniary ends.
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- What now? How do we justify all this tanks, All this planes, all this bullshit?
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What better new enemy than an hypothetical Invisible enemy called the war on terror?
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- I think at the most basic level, When we realize how we've entered into
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A permanent state of war, like what Often proponents of
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Counter-terrorism on a global scale, Think of as a long war, but a war Without end, something like that.
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And I think that what we've accepted Is a political regime
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That is sustained by fear. This is a very old... It's a very old political tactic.
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I mean, Machiavelli asks in the Prince, "is it better for the Prince to be feared or loved?"
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And his conclusion is, because the locus Of fear, the source of fear resides in him,
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In the Prince, it can be constant for his rule. Whereas the locus of love, resides in the people.
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It's in their power. And so for them could be constant, and long lasting.
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So Machiavelli already opens a question that He probably doesn't provide us the answer with, What would it mean to have our social arrangement,
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Like the basis of our social choices, Be founded on love?
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- I don't think one has to justify the cost And nature of the national security state, One just has to keep the people fearful enough
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To support it. - But what I want to bring to your attention today Is the potentially much more sinister nexus
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Between Iraq and the Al-Qaeda terrorist network. - Every word in that speech was gone over by
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The director of Central Intelligence, And his deputy director. So there's nothing that I made up.
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There was nothing that I stuck in there. And in fact, some people tried to stick Extra things in there, that the intelligence
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Community wouldn't verify with multi-sourcing. And I said no. - Powell grabbed me, physically,
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Which was unlike him, and drug me into a space At the CIA, at langely, and said,
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"throw all the material in my presentation "about terrorism out, cut it out."
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- About this amount, this is just about... - Within an hour, George Tenet, the director Of central intelligence, made a spectacular
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Bombshell presentation. We have just learned from a high level Al-Qaeda operative, under interrogation,
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About significant contacts between Baghdad's Mukhabarat, and Al-Qaeda.
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This was devastating. Here's a director of Central Intelligence
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Telling the Secretary of State That he has interrogated evidence.
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Well the secretary turned to me and said, "put it back in." - Al-Qaeda continues to have a deep interest
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In acquiring weapons of mass destruction. As with the story of Zarqawi and his network,
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I can trace the story of a senior terrorist operative Telling how Iraq provided training
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In these weapons to Al-Qaeda. - Later I learn that was Sheikh Al Libi. That it hadn't just instantly happened.
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It had happened months before. That he'd been water-boarded in Egypt, when he did this.
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No U.S. Personnel were present. And he had recanted within a couple of weeks,
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And we never were told about that. - Every statement I make today is backed Up by sources, solid sources.
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These are not assertions. What we're giving you are facts and conclusions Based on solid intelligence.
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- We were, indisputably, we were lied to. - At this hour, American and Coalition
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Forces are in the early stages of military operations, To disarm Iraq, to free it's people,
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And to defend the world from grave danger. - As Karl Rove famously said to this reporter,
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"now you guys are reality based communities. "we make reality. "by the time you figured out, you know,
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"what's wrong with our reality, "we've moved on to the creation of another reality." - Did you sell or cause to come into the possession
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Of Saddam Hussein weapons of mass destruction? - Did the United States sell to him, absolutely not.
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- Iran-Iraq was on such a scale, and I was On the Iranian side, and I went down to the battle point.
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I was actually given a gas kit. And so they let me take the train back, Right all the way up to Tehran.
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And the carriages were crammed with Iranian Soldiers who'd been gassed. Some were just coughing, retching it.
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And one man was reading the Quran, And he would sort of put a handkerchief And wipe the blood off his lips.
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Gradually the corridors became permeated With a sort of very sick smell. And I realized it was the smell of
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The gas that they were coughing up from their lungs, And I was going along the corridors, Opening all the windows in the night air,
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Trying to clean the train out of this smell Of, obviously, chemical warfare.
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After 2003 I was being attacked on radio shows, Especially from America. Well you're complaining about the American invasion,
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And I said, excuse me I was on the train Of Iranians gassed by the Iraqis.
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And the chemical components came from the United States. At the very time that your Rumsfeld was meeting Saddam.
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- You were meeting with Saddam Hussein. I think we have some video of that. Of that meeting.
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Tell me what was going on during this meeting. - Where did you get this video, from the Iraqi television...
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- When did they give it to you, recently, or back then? - We've dug this out of the CNN library.
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- I see. Isn't that interesting. There I am.
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- Our war on terror, Begins with Al-Qaeda.
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But it does not end there. - This very phrase, war on terror,
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Is irrational. It's like saying, a war on war.
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A war on violence, a war that... It's nonsense. You're stepping into this possibility of, kind
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Of, perpetual war. - Good morning darling, how are you?
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- They lack at reassuring us, And we kept believing him, because You don't want to think your prime minister
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Is deceiving you in the route to a war, There's nothing more serious.
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♪ we can change the world - When the serious fraud office launched
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It's investigation into all the crimes That we were uncovering, it turned out
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That many of these arms deals had Been forced through by Tony Blair, personally.
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- He's a dedicated arms salesman. Whatever that was at his feet, ever, in government, He always backed the arms sale.
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- The serious fraud office got to the brink Of uncovering the secret swiss bank accounts,
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By which BAE was funneling money to the Saudi royal family. The swiss said we're gonna notify
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The bank account holders. Bandar flew to london and Blair swung into action.
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He ordered the serious fraud office To close down their investigation. ♪ we can change the world
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- Prince Bandar said if the investigation continued, They would withdraw national security cooperation.
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Which would lead, in the words of Prince Bandar, "to blood on the streets of london."
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- The story we've been banging away at, For more than five years, suddenly everybody woke up to it, Because everybody could see it was a huge
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Cover-up scandal. The spectacle of a british prime minister Closing down a criminal investigation for
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His own reasons. - Were you aware that your Government was approving payments to a friend Of president Bush's, as part of a
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British aerospace's kick back system? Is that why you suspended a fraud inquiry?
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- When Tony Blair started talking about National security interest, that's supposed to be A card that trumps all others.
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- I don't believe the investigation Incidentally would have led anywhere, Except to the complete wreckage Of a vital, strategic relationship for our country.
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In terms of fighting terrorism, in terms Of the middle east, in terms of british interest there.
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- So this thing's absolutely stunning. It seems to be a very expensive way Of organizing bribe payment.
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Out the military equipment, and just hand out the money.
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♪ we can change the world - Blair came to south Africa, specifically To lobby the BAE, the british weapons manufacturer,
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Who won the biggest contract on our arms deal. ♪ our time has come
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- And the option that they presented Was two and half times more expensive Than the plane that the south African Air Force
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Actually wanted. - BAE systems. Real performance.
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Real advantage.
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- As Mandela was about to step down From public life, his successor, Thabo Mbeki,
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Made the decision to spend around 10 billion dollars,
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What were quite scarce public resources, On this weaponry that we didn't need.
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Rather than provide life saving medication, For the almost 6 million South Africans
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Who were then living with HIV, or AIDS. The primary reason for those deals,
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Was that around 300 million dollars in bribes Were paid to senior politicians,
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And sadly to the African National Congress, The ANC, my own party.
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I was called in by a senior member of the ANC's National executive council. He said to me, "look Andrew, this is a battle
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"you cannot win, because this money, the bribes, "we used to fund our 1999 election."
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And almost immediately I'm asked to make A statement to the press that says There's nothing to investigate.
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So it's all over. And I looked at him and I said, no it's not.
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I won't be able to live with myself, If I stop this investigation.
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But at the same time, I'm also realizing, That this is the end of my political career.
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The heads of government are the sales people in chief Of their country's large arms contractors.
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And this is the template used by large Defense contractors around the world.
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- Companies like BAE are not only, sort of, Effectively part of the government, But they're effectively above the law.
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- Corruption is not merely a dirty little detail On top of the arms trade, it's actually,
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In a lot of cases, what drives the international arms trade. Many of these deals would not happen if they did not
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Provide opportunities for personal enrichment. - I would be offended if I thought
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We had the monopoly on corruption.
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- As I was being dragged out I thought, Right at the last second I'm gonna still say, Remind everyone that this guy is a war criminal.
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- Can I just say, actually, on the record, What he said about Iraq and JP Morgan Is completely and totally untrue.
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I have never had a discussion with them. - Now I'm not suggesting that there was a phone Call between JP Morgan and Blair, It was actually what happened was,
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JP Morgan and a consortium of other banks Did, in fact, prop up the whole Iraq economy
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To the tune of about 2.5 billion, not 20 billion, I was a bit nervous that day.
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Then six months after he left office, Blair suddenly signed by JP Morgan, For five million dollars every year.
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I was just trying to enlighten the public That there was corruption involved, And not just bad decision making.
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- I'd like to find out how this gentlemen Managed to access the court.
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- There must be a back door in, Because they'd all gone out for tea at the time. And there was a courtroom, directly Underneath the courtroom that Blair was in,
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And it was left unlocked. So I went through that one, up two floors Via the fire escape, and then to the door
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By this time my heart was pounding, like... You know, I was really going mad.
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And I actually lost my courage for the moment. So I went and sat down in a bathroom, I found a gentleman's toilet there,
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I did actually ring my mother, And I said, listen, I'm here, what shall I do? Do you think I should still go in? And my mum said, "yeah, go on, you
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"won't get another chance." And I thought, that's it, I'm in. The man is a war criminal!
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- Augustine said, "that hope has "two beautiful daughters, anger and courage.
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"anger at the way things are, and courage "to see that they don't remain the way they are."
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You conserve two sets of principles, Privilege and power, or justice and truth. The more you make compromises with those
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Who serve privilege and power, The more you diminish the capacity for justice and truth.
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And, I think that The rebel seeks to keep those who have power, fearful.
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- Peace, that's what we want. Freedom and peace.
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- So what if the guy threw a shoe at me?
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- I'm gonna read you the Sourcing, of the la times report, Paragraph one, U.S. Authorities say,
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Column one, still U.S. Officials said. Said one U.S. Justice department counter-terrorism
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Official, column two, officials said, U.S. Authorities say, U.S. Officials said,
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Those officials said, the officials confirmed. American officials complained, they said,
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U.S. Officials stressed, column three. U.S. Authorities said, jordanian officials said...
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We got a slight... No laughter please, we haven't finished yet. Several U.S. Officials said.
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Column four, U.S. Officials said. Several American officials said. Officials say, say U.S. Officials.
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But U.S. Officials said, one U.S. Counter-terrorism Official said, I'm not joking. There it is.
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That is the journalism you're getting fed. And I sometimes think the la times And the new york times, should be called
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American officials say. - I denounced the call to invade Iraq publicly.
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The new york times issued me a formal written reprimand, Which is what you get before you're fired,
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Under union rules, to stop speaking out against the war. I'd been the middle east bureau chief.
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I'd been in Iraq, spent seven years in the middle east.
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How can you come out of Gaza and not be angry? What's being done to those people.
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How can you come out of the Sudan, El Salvador, you know, dozens of other places
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I've been, and not be angry? I've seen the bodies of a lot of children.
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Which I can't forget.
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20 years, it, you know, fucks you up.
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Dostoevsky said, "hell is the inability to love, "and that's what kills people."
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I fully get why people blow their brains out. It's really hell.
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And, I don't use love as a kind of hallmark, Schmaltzy, you know, we all gotta love each other.
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I'm saying that the only way you're healed From those experiences is by re-establishing
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A connection with that kind of power. With another human being.
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And if you can't do that, you don't survive. And I have friends who couldn't do it,
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And they're not here anymore.
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It's the, you know, the power of love To transcend time.
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- That looks like a Gaub 2-Alpha 38 That we used to have on our loches.
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A mini-gun that fired 4,000 rounds per minute. One of the manifestations of the national security state,
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Especially in the, sort of, apogee it's arrived at today,
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Is that it destroys diplomacy. It destroys the will to diplomacy, and it destroys
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The skill for diplomacy.
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- If you're a small state, like we were for 150 years, in essence, vis-a-vis Spain, France,
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England, and even Russia, you've got to be Exquisitely good at diplomacy.
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You've got to be able to talk yourself Out of lots of things, and make deals And compromises and so forth.
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But if you're the world's hedge men You don't deal with anybody, you smack 'em. You use your military and you smack 'em.
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- On may 3rd of 2003, the ambassador of Switzerland To Tehran, delivers a letter from Iran to the United States.
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In that letter, the Iranians essentially Offer negotiations to open up the nuclear
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Program for full transparency. The proposal came in.
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I happened to see it, because a copy Was also given to a member of congress That I worked for at the time.
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He sent it over to the White House and Karl Rove. Karl Rove called back.
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He said that he found the proposal intriguing. He wanted to know if it was genuine. And he promised to put it in front of the president.
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- I would call Karl Rove a dear friend. - I've seen a man of farsighted courage.
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Put America on a war footing. And protect us against a brutal enemy,
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In a dangerous conflict that will shape this new century. - No form of response was given to the Iranians at all.
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- I'm grateful to have been a witness to history. - And the argument was, that whatever could
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Come out of a negotiation with the Iranians, Even more could be achieved by simply
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Removing the regime in Iran. In a way to sum up the argument, however,
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The principle in the bush administration said That we simply do not talk to evil.
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- And as Tony Zini said, former central command commander, "if you like to rock, you'll love Iran."
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That is a 10 to 14 year, Three to four trillion dollar
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Invasion, at the end of which the world, Western Asia, will look not much different
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Than it does right now. It'll still be in turmoil, still be in chaos, And 70 plus million Iranians will hate our living guts.
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Went in to see the under-secretary of defense, The ideas that wolfowitz shared with me,
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He and secretary Cheney in 91, 92, packaged them, Re-tooled them, thought about them,
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Went to the White House. Briefed people like presidents. America needs a new strategy, or forceable regime change.
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So here this idea springs back up again in 2001.
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I went through the Pentagon, in November of 2001, And one of the generals said, "sir I got this memo "on my desk, it's...
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"we're gonna go after seven countries in five years."
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I said is that a classified memo? He said, "yes sir! "we're gonna start with Iraq, and then we're
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"gonna move to Syria, Lebanon, Libya, "Somalia, Sudan, and Iran."
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- I think it's highly probable the administration Has already made the decision to go to war against Iran.
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There are already U.S. troops inside Iran. I wanna repeat that.
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There are already U.S. troops inside Iran. - The U.S. has long had it's eyes set
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On trying to impact regime change in Iran. And much of what you've seen the U.S. doing, With regards to Iran, has been on a covert level.
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- We've seen a report in the New Yorker, By Seymour Hersh, that a U.S. source told him
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That U.S. Marines were operating in the Balochi, Mazareh, and Kurdish regions of Iran.
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Have you ever heard of that report? - I've never heard of the report, I've never read the Article, nor do I intend to.
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- Do you have any interest as to whether or not, As the U.S. Ambassador? - I don't...
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U.S. Marines are actually operating in Iran right now?
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- I said I had not heard of the report, And I didn't intend to read the article in the New Yorker.
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- If I gave you this article right now, Walked it over, would you look at it? - I don't think so honestly, congressman,
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'cause I don't have the time to read much fiction.
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- We have teams inside Iran and these include Joint special operation force, of our most
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Elite commando unit. It has been given executive authority by the president In as many as 12 countries, to go in
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And kill, we're talking about high value targets. They're operating now, and they go into
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Countries outside of the war zone, outside Of Afghanistan and outside of Iraq, Without telling the American CIA station chief,
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Or the American ambassador, they go in Sterile and they kill people.
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- We have to worry about the sort of dark side If you will, when I spend time in the shadows, In the intelligence world.
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Will have to be done quietly, without any discussion, Using sources and methods that are
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Available to our intelligence agencies.
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- The doctrine that has endured from Bush to Obama Is that the world is a battlefield.
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And that the united states has the right To go into any country around the world To conduct, what they call, kinetic operations,
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Lethal operations, regardless of What international law says.
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What is president Obama's response to that? How is he going to deal with it? He embraced the very covert shadow forces
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That a decade earlier had only been Talked about in hushed tones in the Pentagon. Not just as the implementors of a policy that said
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We should decapitate terror networks, And engage in preemptive strikes, but they Became the policy itself.
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President Obama's administration have built Up something called the disposition matrix. It's like an algorithm for determining
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Who should be killed, or who should We seek to capture. And one of the more, sort of, grotesque aspects Of this, is that there were actually meetings
1:08:07
On tuesdays, in the White House, That have been nicknamed terror Tuesday meetings. Where they're going through rosters of names
1:08:13
To put on, or take off the list. Maybe someone within that group has been In contact with someone that the U.S. is watching.
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They went to the same mosque as someone. They keep ordering pizza from the same place As a taliban leader.
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And you decide, these guys are probably up To no good, and so, on this particular day, We're gonna remove them from planet earth.
1:08:32
- So now we're getting into minority report. Into this sort of sci-fi world of PK Dick. Where it's justifiable homicide.
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Even though it's for an act that might Take place in the future. It's okay to kill from a distance,
1:08:46
Without a warrant, without a trial, without a jury. And the execution takes place off screen.
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- Where appropriate, we will bring terrorists to justice.
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- When... - When we... - We went...
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- He went on to... - We went on...
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- We're addressing that ma'am.
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- The voice of that woman is worth paying attention to. Obviously I do not agree with much of what she said.
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- The president is not implementing policies that We need to see change, for example that he
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Would stop the authorization of signature strikes. Which means killing people only on the basis Of suspicious behavior, that's led to the
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Killing of many innocent people... - You know I post the question on my Facebook page, And asked them what they wanted to ask you.
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And a lot of them said that you were Hurting your own cause, because, one, You appeared rude to the president of the United States,
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And two, you just seemed a little crazy.
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- Well I think killing innocent people With drones is rude. I think not apologizing to the families
1:10:29
Of innocent people who are killed is rude. There are a lot of rude things about our policies.
1:10:35
- I want to make sure the people understand, Actually drones have not caused A huge number of civilian causalities.
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For the most part they have been very Precise, precision strikes against Al-Qaeda. - How do you expect the people of Pakistan
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Not to have anti-American sentiments When day in, and day out, we hear about drone attacks
1:10:52
That kill more innocent people than militants? How do you explain that?
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- Well I do not believe that there is any Basis for your comment.
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- Lockheed Martin, boeing, Dyncorp International, Computer sciences corporation, and aerovironment,
1:11:56
All told eric, about 70 companies Are interested in this one billion dollar contract. - As we look out three, five, seven, 10 years,
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This Market remains a very much a growth Market.
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- It's the disease of permanent war that destroyed The middle east. It's not islamic fundamentalism.
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It empower all of those who profit from permanent war. Politically, economically and militarily.
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- Make no mistake, a nuclear armed Iran Is not a challenge that can be contained. It would threaten the elimination of Israel.
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The security of gulf nations. And the stability of the global economy.
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It risks triggering a nuclear arms race In the region, and the unraveling of the Non-proliferation treaty.
1:13:39
- And how close is Iran to getting it? Well let me show you.
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I brought a diagram for you. Here's the diagram.
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This is a bomb. This is a fuse. Where should a red line be drawn?
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A red line should be drawn right here.
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- The threat from Iran is a political football. What was interesting was that many Israelis,
1:14:12
Including people from the military said, As long as there is an existential threat,
1:14:19
Somewhere, somehow, that it is certainly helping Us expand our budgets, in ways that
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Is not possible to do in the absence On anything that can be defined as such a threat.
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- If you were Iran what would you do? I mean, Israel has what, three to 400 nuclear weapons.
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They're the ones who started the damn arms race In the middle east anyway. They didn't sign a non-proliferation treaty.
1:14:45
They built this program in secret. India and Pakistan then went on to do the same thing,
1:14:51
And Iran, which did sign the nuclear Non-proliferation treaty, looked around
1:14:56
And realized they'd gotten screwed. - The Obama administration wants to sell bunker Buster bombs which can penetrate
1:15:02
20 feet of solid concrete to the UAE. The deal is the latest U.S. Arms sale To members of the gulf cooperation council,
1:15:09
Six nations that neighbor Iran.
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- War has become a commodity for several reasons. One is because you need somebody to Buy the stuff you produce.
1:15:23
- another U.S. Arms deal With Saudi Arabia is in the pipeline. The biggest in history.
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This deal alone surpasses the entire global Arms sale already 57 billion dollars.
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- Saudi Arabia does this enormous service Of recycling the arms trade.
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But war is also a business in another sense. There is a business that uses war to
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Get it's ends established. This is George orwell's 1984.
1:15:52
Two powers are always going to be in battle And guess who's making out really well? Of course the weapons dealers, and the people in power.
1:16:04
- Well the ultimate manifestation of the national Security state is that it, not only
1:16:10
Seeks a perpetual state of war, It will even go to all ends to create
1:16:16
That perpetual state of war. - I am always reminded of a book
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I read a long time ago, called invisible man. And that book has a beautiful sentence,
1:16:31
"I am an invisible man. "not because I don't exist, but "because you choose not to see me."
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- Prince Bandar do you know the Bin Laden family? - This is ironic, in the mid 80's, if you remember
1:16:45
Supporting the mujahideen to liberate Afghanistan
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From the soviets. Bin Laden came to thank me for my efforts
1:16:58
To bring the Americans, our friends, To help us against the atheist, he said, the communist.
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- When I last saw bin laden, in this camp High in the mountains of Afghanistan,
1:17:11
With an air raid shelter built into the living Rock of the mountain, 25, 30 feet high,
1:17:18
That camp was built by the CIA. Later they tried to fire cruise missiles at it, Of course they knew where it was.
1:17:24
They built it. No wonder Bin Laden kept smiling at me.
1:17:30
No wonder he did. - The American Saudi Arabia put one billion dollars each
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To give them arms, training, equipment, We are the ones who cleared all those people to go.
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We and you.
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- There must be something wrong with the way we think. That we can't say that the grammar Of the past, is operating today.
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- We have been pumping money, a great deal of money, Without congressional authority, Without any congressional oversight.
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Prince Bandar of Saudi Arabia is putting Up some of this money for covert operations In many areas of the Middle East where we want
1:18:12
To stop the shiite influence; they Call it the shiite crescent. - Thank you...
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- The arabic word is fitna, civil war. We're in a business right now of creating, In some places, sectarian violence.
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- It's an odd situation because We are trying to destroy and liquidate Al-Qaeda and marlie, but trying to give
1:18:31
Arms training to them in northern Syria.
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It really is a world gone mad, But oddly enough, you have to be in Syria To realize how mad it is.
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When you actually are traveling around Syria, And you listen to the news coming out Of Washington, it's like Americans are
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Living in this kind of fantasy world That bears no relation to planet earth, Where I'm trying to report.
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- Today there are good terrorists, and bad terrorists. The bad terrorists are those in Yemen,
1:19:32
Who the United States deems to be a threat. The good terrorists are those who are in Syria.
1:19:37
The joke here is we've been there before. I mean, if you consider the Afghanistan story,
1:19:44
They've learned nothing.
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Today if I say that the Saudis are giving money To groups that are in Syria, that are not only
1:20:01
Al-Nusra, but also the ISIS. People will say you are a conspiracy theorist,
1:20:06
But what I'm just trying to say is In the moment of the contemporary, This grammar of dangerous politics
1:20:15
Sounds insane.
1:20:27
So what appears to have been a conspiracy at the time, When documents appear, turns out to be true.
1:20:37
- We must address the cycle of conflict, Especially sectarian conflict, that
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Creates the conditions that terrorists prey upon. - In public they say, we have to end terrorism.
1:20:49
Meanwhile, this private work of getting involved In conflicts stirs the pot, which produces
1:20:57
Characters that appear to become terrorists. Which reinforces the public narrative,
1:21:04
And then makes things like intervention okay. - Good morning everybody.
1:21:11
Last night on my orders, America's armed forces Began strikes against ISIL targets in Syria.
1:21:26
- just ahead of air strikes in Syria, Defense firms, Lockheed Martin, Northrop, Raytheon,
1:21:31
And General Dynamics Corporation all set Stock price records. Their shareholders are making money off
1:21:37
The unusually large number of conflicts around the world.
1:21:49
- Every two years or so, the Israeli military Attacks the Gaza strip and right after There is a trade show, in which Israeli
1:21:55
Weapon companies show their technologies. Which are becoming an increasingly important
1:22:02
And very significant part of the Israeli Economy depend on those wars. They try to Market, "we've already used
1:22:10
"that on actual human beings." By making that claim they're able to compete With weapon manufacturers from other countries.
1:22:19
The United States is the biggest Supplier of military aid to Israel. This attack on Gaza is also a trade show
1:22:25
For the united states arms industry.
1:22:48
- Iran and ISIS are competing for the Crown of militant Islam. One calls itself the Islamic Republic.
1:22:56
The other calls itself the Islamic State. Both want to impose a militant Islamic Empire.
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First in the region. And then on the entire world. They just disagree among themselves
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Who will be the ruler of that empire. In this deadly game of thrones, there's
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No place for America, or for Israel. - Today, after two years of negotiations,
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The United States, together with our international partners, Has achieved something that decades Of animosity has not.
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A comprehensive long-term deal with Iran, That will prevent it from obtaining a nuclear weapon.
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- This was a very difficult negotiations, And part of it is because of this Entrenched and compounded mistrust
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That we have built between ourselves mutually For the last three, four decades. But I'm happy that, we simply write,
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Diplomacy pre-write, that people exercised A great deal of restraint and patience,
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And wisdom, and we are where we are, And I hope this will be a good beginning.
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- As this nuclear deal goes through We're still dealing with the problem That the states of this region are collapsing.
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And the void that they will fill, You will see more violence and you will see more weapons.
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It is important to understand That that's not a result of this deal. That is a result of the paradigm not shifting
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Towards de-militarization, and collective Security, soon enough.
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- The Saudis and the Israelis are on the same page. They worry about Iran... - And that's not new, they've been worried for a long...
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- But can they do anything about it? - Well they can get their own weapons.
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- This is a region that has more arms Per capita than any other region in the world.
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Much thanks to the defense industry, Israel and some of the arab states are Going to be able to buy more weapons,
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And more advanced weapons. If the nuclear threat from Iran is decreasing,
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Why should these other countries Get a chance to actually arm themselves more?
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- Pakistan is a friend of Saudi Arabia. Pakistan has nuclear weapons. Are you in discussions with Pakistan about,
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Perhaps, getting a nuclear bomb from Pakistan? - But wolf we've known each other for 25 years,
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You don't really expect me to answer this question.
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- We're not going to have a truly De-militarization in the region, unless
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Israel's nuclear arsenal also is addressed. The significant of this peace deal
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Is that it is a game changer in the region. And it's gonna be a question about the Political willingness of leaders
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To whether they will pursue these opportunities, Or whether they will fall into the patterns of the past.
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- Once you start a war,
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You open a kind of Pandora's box. You don't control it, it controls you.
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The use of that kind of violence has Unforeseen consequences, that no one can predict.
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And it propels you in directions You never thought you'd go.
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That's what war does.
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So, the images of war are very carefully controlled And countered by the lives that have
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Been disseminated through every institution In society, schools, government,
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Entertainment, the press. When you shatter the myth,
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And when you understand, especially What techno-war, industrial war is about, Which is really about murder, about slaughter,
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People would be so repulsed. It would be very hard to wage war.
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♪ I see no one ♪ as happy as I am
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♪ I feel like a
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♪ darling let's dance together till morning ♪
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