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Israeli Teen JAILED For Refusing Army Service Over Gaza Tells Devastating Truths - w/ Tal Mitnick
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Tal Mitnick is a courageous 18-year-old Israeli citizen who was jailed after refusing to serve in the army - in protest at the war on Gaza, and the oppression of the Palestinian people.
Here he tells me absolutely shocking truths - but also explains why there is hope.
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@amalabdallah8481
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3 days ago
This young man has more humanity than all government leaders of the world combined
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@r.w.bottorff7735
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3 days ago
A true Patriot holds their country accountable.
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@DavidBaronStevens
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3 days ago
This kid has balls the size of watermelons.
I hope he gets all the support he needs
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@naderi7623
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3 days ago
From a Palestinian living in the U.S., I solute your courage. 👏
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@ravenblack7052
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3 days ago
I am South African. I grew up during apartheid and started working then as well. My boss back in the day together with a group of his friends dropped out of school and fled South Africa between the ages of 15 and 16 as they refused to serve their compulsory military conscription in the "defense" force. To this day, I have not met anyone in person more nobler than him.
Rest in peace Dearest of men.
Young man, you brought tears to my eyes. Stand your ground. You are made of the best stuff this world can produce and are a credit to humanity. Thank you.
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@NoShirtCarlosDetroit
@NoShirtCarlosDetroit
3 days ago
This young man is a True Hero! Big Respect to conscientious objectors like Tal Mitnick and others. We need more like him to stand up for truth and justice. 😎💓
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3 days ago
I look forward to the day when Mr Mitnick is elected Prime Minister of Israel: a land shared lovingly by all its citizens ❤
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@marcelovillar9893
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3 days ago
The moral clarity and courage of this 18 year old Israeli kid is beyond incredible! As is his maturity and thoughtful, non-violent stance. And even more so when you consider not only his age but, as he acknowledges, the fact that young people in Israel are usually more militaristic, racist and supremacist than their parents already were. He deserves the world’s admiration, gratitude and support.
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@biomat-eu
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3 days ago
Kudos to this young man for defying indoctrination despite the intense pressure imposed by the IDF's mandatory 32-month program for all 18-year-old Israelis.
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@hansalfredarns2258
3 days ago
The first person who refuses to serve as a soldier in this situation, who doesn't go along with the hysteria and the call for revenge, retaliation and destruction of the people in Gaza, who lets his conscience, his soul speak and says: "I'm not taking part in this", that's extraordinary!
I bow to you, your humanity! Thank you very much, I wish you lots of strength and happiness! Thanks.
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@bradroth3923
3 days ago
Much love to Tal. As Owen says, folks from all around the world are with you.
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@otterkarman8740
3 days ago
What a fine young man, a freethinking compassionate person, etc..
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@NoShirtCarlosDetroit
3 days ago
Owen, I just minutes ago watched the interview that Amy Goodman did with him on Democracy Now, and my eyes are starting to water. This young man truly has great parents, and a heart and a soul. He remind me of you, my Brother. Not afraid to stand up for love, truth and justice. 💞
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@Fairuzfan2
3 days ago
After October 7th I noticed a lot of young leftists in the uk and the us say “Well why aren’t these soldiers just objecting and refusing to fight?”. A lot of these people saying these things would never even dare to do something like that. In Israeli society this is a big deal. Refusing to serve endangers your life, your employment opportunities and important relationships with friends and family. This is a serious choice and should be properly commended. We as outsiders have a woefully limited understanding of the scope of indoctrination Israeli citizens experience I think.
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@andyislington
3 days ago
Wise beyond his years. It gives me great hope
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@drbowater
3 days ago
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I’m amazed at the level and quality of guests you get on here. Tal is an amazing young man.
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@KellyKnowsLA
3 days ago
What an amazing young man! So many people all over the world are standing right next to him. Sending Tal love and protection.
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@XRP747E
3 days ago
History will underline your decision positively, Tal. You are doing a great service for humanity. Thank you - and thank you as always, Owen.
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@tigrecito48
3 days ago
30 days in prison or chance to die and chance to be forced to murder innocent civilians? yeah i'll take that 30 days in prison quite easily thanks!
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this is courage tal mitnick is an
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18-year-old Israeli Citizen and he's
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refused to serve in the Israeli Army in
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protest at the onslaught against Gaza
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and the oppression of the Palestinian
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people now given the political
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atmosphere in Israel right now taking
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that stand takes a huge amount of guts
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what we've been trying to do on this
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channel is Elevate Israeli voices who
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support peace and Justice without those
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voices there is no hope now Israeli law
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dictates that other than with exemptions
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on religious or health or legal grounds
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all young Israelis must serve and
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conscientious objectors face
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imprisonment now Tal's been sentenced to
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30 days in military prison but he's been
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temporarily released and speaks to me
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before he's back behind bars I start by
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asking him about that mandatory military
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service and his decision to become a
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conscientious
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objector um yeah so the Israeli Society
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is very militarized um yes there's also
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the um mandatory service that every
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child when he reaches the age of 18 has
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to go through the process of enlisting
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um and and serving for two years and8
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months for men and two years for women
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um in the IDF um and this um this
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mandatory service also goes into
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civilian Society where um a lot of
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society is centralized around the Army
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um and coming out against uh the
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mandatory service um can be scary in
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Israeli society and especially today
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after
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um October 7th um so I'm tall and I'm
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from Tel Aviv I'm a part of the M
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Network which is a an organ network of
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uh conscientious
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objectors that um oppose the mandatory
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draft and oppose um the occupation of
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the Palestinian people um and we uh try
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to Aid other people in coming to the
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decision um of not um not enlisting in
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the IDF if it's from um pacifist reasons
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or um more political reasons um we do
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this there are all kinds of exemptions
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that we uh we support we we help get
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which it could be a mental health
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exemption or uh uh it's called the
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pacifist uh conscientious committee and
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also we uh some of our conscientious
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obors go to prison which is what I have
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chosen to to do so just tell me when did
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you decide that you were going to do
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this
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um I used to think that uh we're kind of
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just humans in this world and we don't
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have much uh we can't really make a
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statement because only the only the
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people I see on TV can can change um and
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kind of when this whole the protest
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movement started against the judicial
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reforms um I kind of realized that we do
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have a voice and that people can see us
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um and that's when I found Miss V NW
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work um and that that's kind of when I
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started realizing that this is the right
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thing to do is this something can I ask
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does it does your kind of family
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heritage inform form this is a tradition
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or in a way is this just you came to
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your you know I I mean that's as someone
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who's very influenced by my family lots
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of people are but others aren't or is
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this something that you just because of
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the world around you politicize you
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because of the events you spoke
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about so my family um immigrated from
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the US to Israel before I was born so
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both of my parents did not serve um and
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I grew up in a house where we were I was
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told that we should always question what
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people are telling us um I'm not going
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to come out and say that my parents told
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me to refuse service because that's not
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true and I I talk with my I talk with my
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mom a lot and I we have discussions and
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we have disagreements about uh my
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opinions and her opinions um but she
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fully supports me in taking a stance um
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with my
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opinions when you made the decision that
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you weren't G to serve what was the kind
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of responses some of the responses that
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you got maybe from your peer group or or
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wherever
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um responses were were mixed um I think
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I I've I've with a lot of my peers they
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knew my political opinions and they kind
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of didn't really expect uh for me to
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serve um they well after conversations
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about the occupation and the the Jewish
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Supremacy they um they kind of
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understood and because they are my
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friends and because I know them and they
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know that I don't mean any violence um I
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don't support any Massacre and I don't
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support Hamas um they know that I um
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they know that I'm doing the thing that
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I believe in and they respect that
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before I ask you about the politics of
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it obviously I'm interested just in
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terms of because this is It's a
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sacrifice and it's important to make
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that point um just tell me about I mean
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you must have had a lot of apprehension
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you're a young man yeah you've only just
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turned you're 18 you've only just become
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an adult legally speaking going to
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prison is a lot that's a it's a big
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thing to have to go through so I mean
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tell me were you were you scared and
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what's your experience so far being a
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prison and how long is it likely that
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you because at the moment just explain
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your hour of prison obviously but you're
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G to go back so just tell me what was
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your kind of sense your your maybe your
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fears your apprehension what's the
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reality being like and how much longer
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you going to be behind bars
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um the mostly when conscientious
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objectors object the first sentencing
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period is usually seven or 10 days
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because the the Army tries to kind of
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show their show their strength and then
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try to make conscientious rejectors come
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back and say okay I'll serve uh but with
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me either they knew me or something and
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the when the sentencing the the whatever
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Commander sentenced me to 30 days it was
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a little bit of a shock um and also
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getting to the actual prison was a
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little bit of a shock it was very
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different from anything I've ever known
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um having to stand for 50 minutes having
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to always answer with the correct names
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of a commander Sergeant or I mean
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everything in Hebrew obviously um and
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having to wear the the the Army Clos um
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yeah so it was was a pretty big shock
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but got used to it pretty quickly and
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I'm not going to come and say that the
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that the this is the worst experience of
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person could have had because just like
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me there were uh probably 200 other
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people there who are also going through
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this experience and um thousands others
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thousands of Palestinians um that are
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going through a much worse experience of
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torture um and beatings um in the West
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Bank or inside Israel um so this is a
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sacrifice that I'm willing to
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take I mean can you tell me just in
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terms of because obviously refusing to
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serve in the Army for for those you
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you're there surrounded by soldiers who
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are in charge of you do you I mean
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what's the attitude like towards you is
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that kind of do they express a kind of
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contempt towards the stance that you
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take
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it um the other prisoners first of all
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the everyone is called Soldier it's not
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it's it's kind of um the commanders of
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their are not the prison guards or the
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commanders it's like a military
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unit um so we are all called soldiers um
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and the the other
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prisoners U they didn't love my opinions
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but um I kind of um only showed my real
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opinion I peeled back like more and more
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layers as they got to know me more um
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and they also like kind of like friends
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from home they they realized that the
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things that I'm saying are not radical
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and like are not this are not crazy
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they're just nonviolent and um pro
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peace um and they and they actually not
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only respected my opinions they defended
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me when other people talked about my
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opinions the prison guards um can't talk
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about politics they're not allowed to um
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but I have I have a suspicion that they
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didn't really love my opinions well in
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terms of the other prisoners can you
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explain why why are they there because
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they're not conscientious
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objetives um a lot of the prisoners are
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uh
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deserters uh which means that they were
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in a military unit and then on one of
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their when they got sent home for a
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little bit to to rest they just didn't
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come back um a lot of this is from
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socioeconomic socioeconomic reasons
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um mean which means they need to work uh
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to help their family or take care of
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their uh baby brothers when their mom
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has to go out to work um so yeah it's
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really heartbreaking to hear all of
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these stories about how they had to go
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go back work day and night um and then
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after the Army kind of forced them to
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come forward um they get sentenced to
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incre like huge amount of days they
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could be uh deserters for uh three
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months and I they could be sentenced for
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half a year in
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prison it's it's really it's
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heartbreaking before I ask you more
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about just about the politics of it um
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I mean I I put some I told people in
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advance I was speaking to people who
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very excited and for example Feb Hussein
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uh says ask what the bigger picture is
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in Israel in terms of conest objectives
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we know there's a strong and brave
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movement inside Israel that says not my
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name but wonder if T was an isolated
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case with them many more taking the same
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bra path as he did and I'm wondering in
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that context I interviewed as I said
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Gideon Levy is's I think a really
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courageous Israeli journalist and the
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point he made to me is actually unlike
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previous Wars there is very very little
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opposition which kind of emphasizes the
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courage of you and other piece activists
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I speak to um that the atmosphere is is
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quite is very suffocating and actually
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is it true that basically there has been
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very few I mean you the only consci
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objector that I know he's refused to
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serve in this particular war is that
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true and what what do you think that
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says I think um I'm the only public
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conscientious objector uh which means
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that there there are a lot of people
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that object uh to mandatory service to
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the period that you're 18 and also
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object to the reserve to to go back to
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the reserves they get um they get
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exemptions uh different ways and they
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don't go out publicly but there there
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are people there are other people except
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for me I'm not the only
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one in terms of I guess kind of how you
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got to this kind of position because
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it's striking in these you know how
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throughout history occupations always
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corrupt the occupi of a dehumanizing
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experience where know the humanity is
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taken away from those who are occupied
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but also it's corrosive to those who are
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occupiers you know I always bring up the
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history as a Brit what the experience in
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Ireland and the way the Irish people
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were brutally dehumanized in order to
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justify the huge oppression that the
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British inflicted on Ireland for such a
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huge period of time um and and and I'm
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just wondering in terms of yourself
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because you you you speak I mean you
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clearly there you were very clear you
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wanted to say look whatever I went
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through it's not as bad to say what
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Palestinians who were detained in the
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West Bank go through but what you've
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done there is you you've you you're
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talking about the humanity of
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Palestinians that has been Stripped Away
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so much um because of the occupation
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which has gone on for so long so how how
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have you got to that place where you
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know I'm interested what you think about
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that dehumanization how strong it is and
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how you've got to a point where you you
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you have humanized the Palestinian
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people in that
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way I feel like a lot of the reason for
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the dehumanization is because um growing
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up in Israel even in the liberal Tel
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Aviv um we don't really hear any
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Palestinian voices this is because of
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maybe a language barrier but also we
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don't hear any translated any
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Palestinian history anything and um
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reading uh stuff uh written
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uh by organizations that translate
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Palestinian voices um or directly from
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them writing in English or Google
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translated Arabic um it's it's kind of
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it real it made me realize that yeah
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they are other people and they have a
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they have a plight and they are they
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legitimately uh deserve to live here and
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to live in
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Freedom um
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yeah I mean on top of that you know that
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kind of that that backdrop October 7th
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would always be a huge trauma for any
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society I mean for people like myself i'
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would always say clear you don't start
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the clock on October 7th you've got to
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talk about Decades of going back to the
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NAA the mass explosion of the
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Palestinians apartheid as diagnosed by
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betsen the Israeli human rights
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organization occupation Siege of GS and
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so on that's true but it doesn't stop
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October 7th obviously going to be that
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will be a huge trauma so I'm just
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wondering in that context because a lot
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of people within Israel that that trauma
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has ended where taken them to a place
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where they they they you know they a
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large majority support the horrific
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Onslaught against GS which is obviously
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killing a huge number of people I'm just
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wondering what your thoughts are on that
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given that
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context I think October 7th was a
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terrible event terrorist attack that was
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totally
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unjustified um and I think harming
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civilians is is never the way to go and
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I think that h is not going to bring
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peace and is not going to bring security
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to the people here not to the
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Palestinians and not to the Israelis um
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and yeah the the Israeli Society is
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traumatized um has always been
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traumatized I think um and this is only
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um making the trauma bigger and bigger
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um but the the we need to take this
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trauma and not let it turn into Revenge
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we need to take this trauma and with the
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trauma realize that the only way that
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we're going to get security the only way
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that this is not going to happen again
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and that is not holding People Under
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Siege and is ending the occupation and
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is giving freedom to the Palestinian
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people because they're also humans it's
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not that they're
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robots um born to kill
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Jews when you see I
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mean is also quite interesting because I
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know speaking against people like gidey
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Levy that a lot of these public aren't
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even seeing what's happening in Gaza
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that that reality isn't being shown but
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you know I know you must be aware of the
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catastrophic death toll um how so many
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children have been killed but as well as
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that you know the the CL the destructure
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of the medical
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system Professor Debbie sidart edin
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University thinks that a quarter of the
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population could die within a year on
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current trajectory just because of the
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collapse of the medical system let alone
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anything else there's thirst the hunger
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um I mean when you see that what what's
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your kind of thoughts and do you think
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there's any way of how you feel about
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that how can that how can other people
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within Israeli Society feel the same
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anguish that I would hope that you would
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feel about
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it yeah I've been seeing horrible videos
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and pictures and texts written about
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what's what's happening in Gaza as a
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part of the Israeli
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campaign there
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um I feel like the the
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only the only way that we can really
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make um other Israelis see what's
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happening here is make them like not
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make them
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sorry is say that these people most of
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these people just want to live they want
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to live They Want To Live and Let Live
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just like most I believe most Israelis
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want to but they have been corrupted by
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the system they have been corrupted by
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the system to think that the only way
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that they can Live and Let Live is by
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killing um and the the go the
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the sorry
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sorry and showing the humanity um of the
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gosen people and how these babies don't
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deserve to die um I believe in the end
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will the humanity will come
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out all that just a few things this is
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by the way it's brilliant to hear
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because like your Humanity really does I
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think really does shine through um which
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is something you should be very proud of
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um one of the kind of horrifying things
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I you know it's it's not just the
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atrocities committed against
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Palestinians but it's videos by soldiers
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from the IDF uploaded to Tik Tok where
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they'll kind of gleefully go through
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possessions of Palestinian homes laugh
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laugh about them joke about you know
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blowing up homes chant about AMC from
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the scriptures and how there were no
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Innocents or involved civilians in in in
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Gaza and I just I suppose one of the
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reason kind of shocked by that is if
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you're in a place where you're willing
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to just gleefully boast about it and
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then upload it to Tik Tok you know what
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are you doing off camera um but I'm just
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wondering what you think about that
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mentality how widespread is it do you
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think and what does that say about the
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the way that the Israeli Army functions
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sadly it is very widespread talking in
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prison to these soldiers that some of
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them were in Gaza a couple weeks ago um
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the the regular opinion the the the
18:13
center opinion is that we need to kill
18:15
all of the Arabs in Israel in Gaza in
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the West Bank all
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Arabs um it's it's sad it's I mean I see
18:24
these videos too and they they sadden me
18:26
and they think uh
18:29
it really shows how systems can corrupt
18:32
humans so so just to be clear there your
18:35
sense was actually like the kind of
18:37
Centrist kind of view the kind of Mo the
18:40
relatively moderate view
18:42
amongst the soldiers you spoke to is
18:44
actually to kill all Arabs yes I was
18:46
told this exact sentence that here in
18:48
prison the moderate view is to kill all
18:52
Arabs wow what do you think that says in
18:55
terms of how the conduct of the Israeli
18:57
Army must be in Gaz itself if that's the
19:00
view that that's seen as the moderate
19:02
view I think with all this talk about
19:05
how there are no civilians um and how no
19:09
one is
19:10
innocent is bringing to this huge death
19:13
though that we're seeing and also it's
19:15
hitting back against Israeli Society
19:17
because we're seeing a huge amount of
19:19
soldiers dying from IDF fire and also
19:21
hostages dying from IDF fire so not only
19:25
I mean to to stop the massacre of the
19:28
Palestinian people and also um to to to
19:32
stop more and more pain to Israeli
19:35
families I think we need to stop with
19:36
this mentality so just on that you know
19:40
I suppose that's I mean what you've just
19:41
made there is is such an important point
19:43
which is about the rhetoric from the top
19:45
where you hear Israeli ministers saying
19:47
there are no Innocents no involved uh
19:49
people in in in Gaza um talking about
19:53
all about you know Palestines in the
19:54
West Bank and Gaza being Nazis that kind
19:57
of thing do you think that there is a
19:59
direct link between the rhetoric
20:01
deployed by ministers at the top and
20:04
what soldiers therefore see as
20:07
acceptable yes I think people think that
20:10
until now uh the the strategy of Siege
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and also occupation in the West Bank has
20:17
failed I think everyone recognizes that
20:20
and what a lot of the these people are
20:22
trying to uh to pull to pull the public
20:25
opinion to the strategy is failed now we
20:28
need to kill them all because it wasn't
20:31
enough to put them under siege what
20:33
we're trying to say is yes the strategy
20:35
has failed but in we don't need to kill
20:37
them all we need the only way forward is
20:40
to give them
20:43
freedom I guess what worries I mean that
20:45
it's a lot this isn't it um if that is
20:49
such an entrenched view where you got to
20:51
the point where soldiers basically think
20:54
Mass
20:55
extermination of the Palestinian people
20:57
is the way forward then what what hope
20:59
do you think how how could the the
21:01
incredibly courageous and I think
21:02
everyone now listening really can hear
21:04
just how courageous you actually are how
21:07
how can that win do you think how how is
21:08
that because that's such an extreme view
21:10
I mean that's it's a genocidal mentality
21:12
isn't it how how do you think it's
21:14
possible to kind of win over that with
21:15
that with that kind of approach which is
21:17
clearly the right approach but against
21:20
such an extreme view how could it
21:23
succeed I think I I'll always stay
21:26
hopeful um with every person that I hear
21:29
that has that I've talked to um and now
21:32
uh doesn't want to join the Army I
21:35
become more and more hopeful it's the
21:37
little things it's the little steps that
21:39
we can get um and yeah I don't think I
21:43
don't think we can lose hope and just a
21:45
couple couple final points on that
21:46
because I always like to end on a
21:48
hopeful note uh which is difficult uh
21:50
given the world in which we live um and
21:53
we have to work with the material that
21:54
we've got but there is always hope and
21:56
you're an example of that so um yeah I'm
21:58
just wondering you know in your
22:00
generation uh because one of the things
22:02
that sometimes worried me is you know if
22:03
I think about Britain or the United
22:05
States younger people are just a lot
22:06
more Progressive than older people um
22:08
and I saw a video in Israel with a um a
22:11
school teacher who had shared an article
22:13
from the isra newspaper Harret uh which
22:16
I think was just basically a moderate
22:17
kind of kind of Peace orientated article
22:20
and it looked like he's going to get
22:21
lynched by his students it was just like
22:23
hundreds of school
22:25
students it was I was kind of Shots by
22:28
it so but is there I mean is that kind
22:31
of have younger people become even more
22:33
militar militaristic and and and
22:35
Hardline or are there younger people
22:37
like yourself who see things differently
22:39
that we can be hopeful
22:41
about yeah in uh in the US or in Europe
22:45
I think the younger the the child is
22:47
going to be more Progressive than their
22:48
parent and here it's looking like um the
22:52
the young people my age are more
22:55
right-wing and more fascist than their
22:57
parents
22:59
I don't have anything I think that I
23:00
hope that they grow and they realize
23:03
that uh there's another
23:07
way and just finally on that I did see
23:09
what I was very inspired by was uh there
23:11
was a protest yesterday in Tel Aviv
23:12
where thousands took to the streets and
23:14
that included Jewish and Palestinian
23:16
citizens of Israel marching together and
23:18
obviously the only way we'll get a piece
23:20
is an acceptance that the land belongs
23:22
to both Jews and Palestinians and and
23:25
there has to be an acceptance that that
23:26
of a shared future and you could see it
23:28
on those streets that's what those
23:29
people believed do you see that peace
23:31
movement do you see that there is
23:34
prospects of that of that growing
23:35
because we've seen throughout history
23:36
people like yourself are isolated at the
23:38
time who who's who's uh who's going to
23:40
get the better judgment from history um
23:43
so do do you see that and think well
23:44
actually there are seeds here which
23:46
which which are growing and maybe you've
23:49
seen that from the response to you
23:51
because you taking a high-profile
23:52
position so you must be in a position
23:54
where you do as well as probably a lot
23:55
of bad responses you must be hearing
23:58
from people in Israeli Society who feel
23:59
emboldened by The Stance youve
24:01
taken yes I've gotten a lot of hate but
24:06
also a lot of support not just from the
24:08
International Community but also from
24:11
from Israeli from isra from people in
24:14
Israel um I like like I said before I
24:17
think the the catastrophe that was
24:20
October 7th kind of left this vacuum of
24:23
who will be able who is going to uh
24:26
present the better alternative to what
24:28
was happening um and a lot of people
24:31
went to the right-wing right-wing's idea
24:33
of genocide and
24:35
Massacre but I feel like I feel like a
24:38
lot of people are also now try starting
24:40
to realize that maybe it's not the way
24:43
and maybe there there there is another
24:47
way um of living together and that's
24:50
what we saw yesterday with this with the
24:53
protest um well I say t I am an or you
24:56
um and I think what you've done is shown
24:58
leadership I think your leadership
25:00
skills really I think come across in the
25:02
inw you've got wisdom beyond your years
25:04
if you don't mind me saying um and I
25:06
think always the Judgment of History I
25:09
think is is um it's something I think
25:11
about a lot and I know it's not
25:12
automatic it's not not as though not as
25:15
though always you know there's always
25:16
this sense of you know is history
25:18
written by The Victors it's often more
25:19
complicated than that but throughout
25:21
history people like yourself do take
25:23
very courageous stance is which at the
25:25
time feels often quite lonely and
25:28
difficult but I do hope you know that
25:30
all around the world huge numbers of
25:32
people are in all of what you've done um
25:35
I I'll I'm sure I hope you'll read
25:37
through the comments on the video when
25:38
it's posted and I think you'll see a lot
25:39
of love and support uh for the inspiring
25:42
um thing you've done and given the
25:45
atmosphere in Israeli society which
25:46
you've set out very clearly in a way
25:48
which will people find quite scary but
25:50
it really does emphasize the courage of
25:51
The Stance you've taken so I just want
25:53
to say Well done to you and I know
25:56
you're going to go back to prison but I
25:57
hope when you're there you you know that
25:59
so many people um are behind you and
26:02
will be ready to stand by you in any way
26:05
so thank you thank you thanks for having
26:08
me man uh for those watching or
26:10
listening please as ever uh share the
26:12
video press like subscribe um but thanks
26:15
so much
26:16
to thank you
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