What really happened in Israel on Oct. 7? w/Max Blumenthal | The Chris Hedges Report
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For all the sensationalism surrounding the events of Oct. 7, when Hamas broke through the Gaza fence and seized territory in the Gaza Envelope as part of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood, there is still much that we do not know. The official Israeli death toll from the attack is estimated at 1,200 civilians, revised from an initial estimate of 1,400. Among this figure are several hundred civilians, which Israel says were killed by Hamas militants. Other testimony from survivors of Oct. 7 suggests an alternative explanation—that in its fervor to defeat Hamas, Israeli commanders may have willingly targeted and sacrificed Israeli soldiers and civilians in the crossfire. Max Blumenthal of The Grayzone joins The Chris Hedges Report for an in-depth look.
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There's growing evidence that in the chaotic fighting that took place once Hamas militants entered Israel on October 7, the Israeli military decided to target not only Hamas fighters,
but the Israeli captives with them. Tuval Escapa, a member of the security team for Kibbutz Be'eri,
told the Israeli press, he set up a hotline to coordinate between kibbutz residents and the
Israeli army. Escapa told the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz, that his desperation began to set in.
"The commanders in the field made difficult decisions, including shelling houses on their
occupants in order to eliminate the terrorists along with the hostages." The newspaper reported
that Israeli commanders were, "Compelled to request an aerial strike against its own
facility inside the Erez Crossing to Gaza in order to repulse the terrorists who had seized control."
That base housed Israeli civil administration officers and soldiers. Israel in 1986 instituted
a military policy called the Hannibal Directive, apparently named for the Carthaginian General
who poisoned himself rather than be captured by the Romans following the capture of two Israeli
soldiers by Hezbollah. The directive is designed to prevent Israeli troops from falling into enemy
hands through the maximum use of force, even at the cost of killing the captured soldiers and
civilians. The directive was executed during the 2014 Israeli assault on Gaza, known as Operation
Protective Edge. Hamas fighters on August 1, 2014 captured an Israeli soldier, Lieutenant
Hadar Golden. In response, Israel dropped more than 2,000 bombs, missiles, and shells on the
area where he was being held. Golden was killed along with over 100 Palestinian civilians. The
directive was supposedly rescinded in 2016. Joining me to discuss the reports of Israel
shelling its own citizens with tanks and missiles is Max Blumenthal, who investigated this for The
Grayzone. So you did a wonderful job piecing together these reports that are coming out
of Israel. Why don't you lay out what Israeli commanders faced after roughly 10 hours, several
hours after this incursion, and then perhaps give me some details about what you found out.
Well, thanks, Chris. I'm still trying to piece together what happened on October 7. One reason that I'm left investigating even after this report that I thought was comprehensive was
that in the face of so much death and destruction caused by Israel's military in Gaza -- Which is
basically tantamount to genocide. You have systematic killing in Gaza -- Everyone I
know there has ... Luckily I don't know anyone who's been killed, but everyone I know there has
lost neighbors or relatives. They've all lost their homes. So the Israeli military and the
Prime Minister's office, Netanyahu's office, are recycling October 7 atrocities and they're also
introducing new deceptions in order to try to keep the media's lens focused on October 7 now that it
is starting to hone in on the horror of Gaza. We have all these new stories about babies baked in
ovens, we've heard stories about babies cut out of mother's wombs by so-called Hamas terrorists,
rape, gang rape, women after being taken, gang raped in the streets in Gaza City.
All of these lies were spun out. The 40 beheaded babies repeated by Biden, who claimed he'd seen
photographs. All of these lies were repeated and put forward in order to give Israel the
latitude to carry out this genocidal assault that we're now witnessing. And we can see Biden was so
stunned by the propaganda that was being pushed on him by Netanyahu's office and the pro-Israel
media that he immediately caved. Tony Blinken in his recent Senate testimony also repeated some of
these lies. So I'm still trying to unpack it because it's these lies that went beyond the
actual killings and atrocities that were committed by gunmen from the Gaza Strip on October 7 that
have made it possible for Israel to target and exterminate hundreds of entire families in the
Gaza Strip as well as hospitals and medical centers. So I started my investigation when
testimony started to filter out in Israeli media which contravened the official story of October 7.
And the official story, which has been told to Americans and Israelis,
is that Hamas "terrorists" stormed into Southern Israel and began shooting and killing people at
random. Then burned them alive, tied up entire families in their homes, and then burned them all,
somehow, melted cars and burned people in their cars as they were trying to flee,
and carried out this gigantic mass shooting. It does appear clear that many Israeli non-combatants
were shot by Hamas gunmen but that's where the official story stops. And what I was able to
determine from these testimonies, as well as basic and visual analysis of the photos that
the Israeli Foreign Minister and Foreign Ministry and Prime Minister's office were putting forward,
was that Israel used disproportionate force on its own citizens in order to dislodge a politically
driven military offensive by Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad, which was aimed at extracting
political concessions from the state of Israel, which had been besieging the Gaza Strip for 15
years. So you read one of those testimonies, and I guess we can go into some detail about
them and how I came to my conclusions. Yeah, let's go in because in your article,
which people can read on The Grayzone, you print pictures. I'll let you go from there.
The photographic evidence seems to contradict the statements that have come out of Jerusalem.
It's important to understand that the main goal in this Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad military
offensive was to gather as many captives as possible, particularly Israeli soldiers,
in order to trigger the prisoner exchange that was witnessed when Gilad Shalit in 2011 was released;
The Israeli soldier who was taken in 2006, who was operating a tank outside Gaza, was taken
in exchange for 1,027 Palestinian prisoners, including the current prime minister of Gaza,
Yahya Sinwar. So this entire Al Aqsa Flood operation is understood against the backdrop
of the Gilad Shalit prisoner exchange. So gunmen were sent with detailed maps to population centers
and to military bases. In the military bases, they were obviously given instructions to attack
and kill Israeli soldiers who were maintaining the siege of Gaza. Much of the Gaza division,
which has also been responsible for so many massacres inside Gaza over the years, was wiped out. The Erez Crossing... I don't know if you've been through there, Chris.
Yeah, many times. Many times, yes. Okay. Yeah, because you've been to Gaza, I've been through there three times. It is the nexus, the nerve center of the siege of Gaza. It's not only
where you cross through if you want to enter Gaza and return to, or if you're a resident of Gaza
you'll have to pass through there to get medical treatment outside. It's the home of the civil
administration, the bureaucracy of the panopticon style occupation of Gaza. So that was immediately
overrun by gunman as a military target, and with all these soldiers inside, the head of the Gaza
division actually went into an underground bunker. He recounted this story to Haaretz and made the
tough decision to bomb Erez Crossing and they sent hellfire missiles onto the Erez Crossing
from Apache helicopters. And this was basically the beginning of the Iron Swords Operation that
Netanyahu declared several days later, which is essentially the carpet bombing of Gaza.
But Apache helicopters were scrambled in the morning. The assault began around like
6:00AM at daybreak, and by 10:30AM, according to Israeli media accounts, all of the special
force's commando teams, the well-trained Hamas teams had already left. By that point there
were two squadrons of Apache helicopters that had been scrambled, and they were not even at full strength until 12:00PM. So you have action at Erez Crossing, then you have Kibbutz Be'eri,
which is the site that registered the most casualties of non-combatants. I counted something
like 150 among the confirmed death toll printed at Haaretz and most of them, they were not soldiers.
These were people who were caught in crossfire, Hamas gunman had tried to take them captive,
and there were standoffs in their homes. And by the time Israeli special forces arrived, many
of those standoffs had either ended or they ended them simply by shelling people's homes with tanks.
According to Yasmin Porat, who had fled the electronic music festival -- Which had come
under attack, which was held right between Kibbutz Be'eri and Kibbutz Rahim, which also have military
bases essentially embedded within them -- It was held on the road between these two kibbutzim,
and came under attack. Many captives were taken. This woman, Yasmin Porat, fled to Kibbutz Be'eri,
went into a home with her partner, and then they were then taken captive momentarily by
gunmen. She recounted to Israeli National Radio that when the Israeli special forces arrived,
they started shooting everyone and that most of the captives, along with the Hamas gunmen,
were caught in the crossfire. And that everyone was killed except for her and her captor,
who used her as a human shield in order to guarantee his own safety when he surrendered.
She saw her own partner, whose hands had been bound by her captors, get shot by Israeli
special forces, and then they lobbed two tank shells into the home that she had been in. So
if you look at the pictures of Kibbutz Be'eri, they look like the homes in Gaza that I've seen,
or you may have seen that came under shelling from Israeli tanks and Israeli artillery. There's
no way that Hamas gunman could have done that much structural damage to this entire
kibbutz with the small arms that they were equipped with: Kalashnikovs and some RPGs.
I24, Israeli foreign ministry sponsored propaganda network, actually went to this
kibbutz on a guided tour and said they saw tank tracks everywhere. It's obvious what
happened there and it was stated clearly by the security coordinator of Kibbutz Be'eri,
who you quoted at the top of this interview. He was on a hotline with the Israeli military
command and they decided to shell houses on top of their occupants, including Israeli civilians. Now, why were they doing this? As you mentioned,
there's the Hannibal Directive, this once secret directive that was introduced after Israel entered
into a major prisoner swap with I believe the PFLPGC, which operates out of Syria in exchange
for Ahmed Jabril and hundreds of other prisoners in order to get back some Israeli soldiers
who had been taken in the Lebanese Civil War. It was only three. I don't think it was a very -- Yeah, it was three. -- Yeah.
So this is a politically painful prisoner swap, and the Israeli public was furious,
and the right-wing politicians were furious. So they introduced this directive named for
the Carthaginian General Hannibal -- Who took his own life, he took poison rather than being taken
captive by the enemy -- And it authorizes Israeli commanders to kill their own soldiers if they're
taken captive by the enemy in order to prevent such a prisoner swap from taking place. And it was
used again, this is when it got exposed in 2014 -- August 1, 2014, what's known as Black Friday
in Southern Gaza -- And I was actually there in the aftermath of this massacre. A lieutenant
named Hadar Golden was taken by Hamas fighters. He was in the field, Israel broke a ceasefire,
and started attacking around the southern city of Rafa. And the Israeli Military Command
authorized airstrikes, artillery strikes, and tank fire to bring the full wrath of the
Israeli military onto this area in order to make sure that this soldier did not get taken alive.
Over 100 people in Rafa were killed in this massacre. The morgues were filling up. It
was hideous. I actually visited a hospital called Kuwaiti Hospital, which is now under attack again,
and because the mortuaries were so full of bodies on this day, they actually had to bring in ice
cream coolers to store the bodies of babies. The doctor who interviewed me, who I interviewed about
that, his entire family was killed about a week and a half ago, after he refused Israeli orders
to evacuate Kuwaiti Hospital. But back to the Hannibal directive. We have to question whether
it was put into play on October 7. Because we not only have the Erez Crossing where many soldiers
were killed -- And if you look at the aftermath, the roof was clearly brought down. There's
serious structural damage to the roof of Erez Crossing -- You have Kibbutz Be'eri where there was tank shelling, and then you have these Apache helicopter pilots in the air who were stating in
their testimonies in Hebrew to Israeli media that they had no intelligence, no way of distinguishing
civilian from combatant on the ground. And yet they were told to empty their tanks,
completely unload their ammo, then head back to the base, get filled up again, reload, and then go shoot as many cars and people as they can on the ground. Pure chaos. These
testimonies have been totally ignored, by the way, by Western media. Were they encouraged to
kill captives or shoot cars that they thought contained captives? We don't know. What we do
know is there were orders from the top to kill Israeli civilians if Hamas gunmen were around
them in order to get the gunmen. And it's like the same military doctrine that's being employed
in Gaza: Any civilian is a target if they are the "terrorist's nextdoor neighbor." Israel actually
calls it the Neighbor Policy. They don't know any other doctrine. They don't have any other means
of targeting and they weren't prepared, obviously, for this military onslaught. So they went to their
core doctrine of bombing everything in sight. That brings us to the third scenario. We talked
about Erez Crossing and Kibbutz Be'eri, then you have the chaos of the Nova Electronic Music
Festival. And it's there that it appears clear that after a lot of these Hamas and Palestinian
Islamic Jihad commando teams had left -- This is an element that's left out in a lot of western
media -- Many people from Gaza started streaming in, including lower level characters from the
armed factions who may have had weapons but weren't part of the operation or weren't trained, onlookers, people who wanted to see what Israel looked like, to see the land that their families
had been kicked off. nd there were some heinous killings, and you could see actual captives
being taken by guys on motorcycles who didn't even have weapons. They were grabbing people.
A lot of this happened around the Nova Music Festival. There was a lot of shooting between festival security guards and various gunmen, and a lot of people were killed, but many people were
fleeing the festival by car. There is video of some Hamas gunmen stopping cars and shooting
people. But then you have all of these images that the Israeli Foreign Ministry put out of cars that
are completely melted, and their corpses inside are charred. And those to me are telltale signs of
hellfire missile strikes from Apache helicopters, and the Apache crews, the squadrons. They put
out video afterwards of themselves shooting cars, hitting cars with hellfire missiles,
and shooting people who were pedestrians walking on the ground with cannon fire. We don't know who those people were, but if you look, a lot of the cars were heading back
to Gaza. So they were very likely cars of people from Gaza who may have been taking captives and
so many captives or would be captives were killed. Was one of them Shawnee Luke? This woman who the
Israeli Foreign Ministry has been making such a big deal of who was a festival party goer,
who was attractive, and was a German citizen. There's some video of her being taken. They
say they found a skull fragment from her. Was she in a car that was hit by a hellfire
missile? Unclear. But it's very clear that many of these cars were hit by Apache helicopters and
the helicopter pilots said they had no idea who was in them. They were shooting people also on
the other side in Gaza after they entered, by the afternoon of October 7. It's very clear to me that
many people were killed. Many Israelis were killed by Israeli forces, along with many active duty,
uniformed Israeli soldiers who were actively engaged in the siege of Gaza who were combatants.
I want to buttress that I went into Kuwait after the first Gulf War and drove up the
Highway of Death, which was miles and miles of Iraqi military vehicles, all of which had been
hit by Apache helicopters. And when I saw one of the pictures, one of the images of a car with two
completely blackened corpses, that is what I saw in vehicle after vehicle after vehicle
going into Kuwait. Some of these images which were disseminated by the IDF have been removed.
And maybe you can explain why you think they were no longer made available to the public.
Well, when I first went to Gaza in 2014, in the midst of Israel's 51-day long assault on Gaza,
I came across a car that was on the roadside that had been roasted by a Hellfire missile
along with its driver. The driver's body had been removed but it was undoubtedly charred and you could actually see his sandal melted into the gas pedal. He had been hit by a Hellfire
missile. I embedded the picture in my article to compare it to the vehicles that the Israeli
foreign ministry was pointing to as evidence of Hamas savagery, and its identical. By the way,
he was as a taxi driver, a poor young guy named Fadi Alowa, who had taken a wounded Hamas fighter
to the hospital without even knowing that he had been a fighter. And so they killed him.
The Israeli Foreign Ministry has a website called hamas-massacre.com. And the UN Ambassador -- This
unhinged character named Gilad Iradan, who used to be in charge of Israel's meddling operations
to attack college students who were organizing to boycott, divest and sanction Israel, or forming
Palestine solidarity student groups -- Gilad Iradan whipped out this QR code at his UN address,
about two weeks ago, and the QR code was supposed to lead to a Google Drive folder that contained
all these images of charred cars, melted bodies, and all sorts of other atrocities that Hamas had
committed. But all the pictures eventually disappeared. My initial read was that they
concluded that a lot of these pictures were either fake, or they could have even depicted Hamas
fighters who had come in and been hit by Hellfire missiles. But then Gilad Iradan in embarrassment
later said that there was a technical error, and he tried to repost the images.
And that makes sense because they have no shame. They lie relentlessly,
shamelessly and so it didn't seem like they actually deleted them out of shame. They deleted
them because of a major technical error, which is also ironic because Israel's supposed to be the technically savvy startup nation that's teaching the world through innovation and
creativity how we can enter the AI future, but they can't even maintain a simple Google Drive.
And that shows the boneheadedness of this entire operation. But it's worked. It's been very
successful in convincing Brussels and Washington that Hamas was ISIS. That is Israel's message:
Hamas is ISIS, they're irrational, they aim to simply kill Jews, they don't have any political
demands, and the only response to them is the response that the US waged on ISIS -- After
supporting ISIS, by the way, in Syria -- Which was to destroy much of Raha, ISIS's base of operation,
as well as Mosul in Iraq. And the man who actually oversaw those operations, James Glynn,
the marine officer, was sent to Israel to consult the Israeli military in the immediate aftermath
of October 7 on how they should respond. Now, the Pentagon's pulling back and saying, whoa,
this is a little bit crazy for us even. We don't even know what you're targeting, where your targeting is coming from. But they gave him the green light because they fell for the
propaganda shock and awe campaign of these photos. And recently actually at a fundraiser for the
Republican Jewish Coalition -- Which is funded substantially by the Adelson family of the
late laconic oligarch, Sheldon Adelson, but also many other wealthy republican,
pro-Israel Jews in Las Vegas at Adelson's Hotel -- A character named Ellie Beir appears on stage,
who is a volunteer rescuer and a religious nationalist orthodox Jew from New York,
who is living in Israel and had arrived as a first responder in October 7 through a group
called United Hatzalah. And this is obviously like a fundraising speech. And he declares
that a baby had been burned in an oven, had been baked in an oven by Hamas "terrorists."
I'm looking at his comments right now. I have them in front of me. He actually had not seen
any baby in an oven. It was someone named Ellie Moskowitz, who is from his first responder United
Hatzalah team. And Ellie Moskowitz had not seen any baby baked in an oven. He said that he found
a small bag with contents of body parts that had been apparently pressed against a heating
element. And these body parts were displayed by Netanyahu and filtered out on Twitter and sent
to influencers by the Israeli Foreign Ministry in the PM's office after Netanyahu was embarrassed by
the retraction of the story about 40 beheaded babies. So if we go back to October 8, CNN
and Biden begin telling this phony story about 40 beheaded babies, they are both forced to retract,
Netanyahu puts out an image of some burned body parts, says it's a baby, and then flash forward
to this fundraiser in Las Vegas where these first responders are saying that there was a baby baked
in an oven based on body parts they had in a bag which were pressed against a heating element.
Now, put two and two together. What heating element could have created that much heat to
char a body part, which didn't even belong to a baby, but was put forward by Netanyahu
to save face? It was likely a Hellfire missile and body parts that had been blown to bits by a
Hellfire missile, which were likely an Israeli citizen but could have been someone from Gaza,
are being put forward as an Israeli baby. But if you look at the confirmed death count,
only one Israeli baby was killed. It's horrible and tragic. It was a 10-month-old baby named
Millie Cohen, who was accidentally shot by a Hamas gunmen in an exchange of fire.
And more reporting will come out about this, but you can look at the confirmed death toll at Haaretz. There's no other baby. There's no baby burned in an oven,
no one's even saying that. So what we're looking at is the most horrific, lurid propaganda,
which is bogus, all derives from apparent friendly fire, and is being spun in order to justify the
actual beheading of babies with missiles in the Gaza Strip and the systematic extermination of an
entire society. A senior Israeli security source told Yedioth Ahronoth, the top Israeli tabloid,
that 20,000 people had been killed in Gaza. I personally think that could be an overcount, and they're trying to boast to the Israeli public about how many people they've killed to satisfy
the bloodlust of the public after October 7. But if that's true, that's like 1% of the
entire population, which definitely qualifies as genocide. So this propaganda has been used to
justify the realization of the lie. Many Israelis who are involved in this military operation or who
are seen torturing people in the West Bank, workers in the West Bank on camera, they're reenacting the lurid propaganda that they believe to be true about October 7, and it could lead to
regional war. Because the genocidal fury has so overwhelmed Israeli society, the propagandas, the
shock and awe campaign, has prevented Brussels and Washington from being able to put any check on it.
What do you think this means for the hostages that are in Gaza? That's a great question, and one of the hostages answered it. I don't know her name. She appears
to be from one of the kibbutzim that had the most captives taken, it's called near Nir Oz,
and that's where two of the elderly captives were released came from. And it's a kibbutz
that has many people more from the left of the Israeli political spectrum who would be
critics of Netanyahu, come from. So he may not be -- Netanyahu, his government, and the Israeli
population -- Very favorably disposed to them. But one of these hostages, an older woman, appeared
on camera from wherever she was being held inside Gaza and excoriated Netanyahu, and said,
you have no desire to get us. What are you doing? Have a ceasefire and negotiate for our release and
get us out here. You've already killed 50 of us. And that is correct. At least 50 captives have
already been killed in these blitzkrieg-like Israeli bombings where they're using
2,000 pound bombs and Mark 82 bunker buster bombs. So I don't think they'll make it out alive. It
would be a miracle if they made it out alive. Everyone wants them to make it out alive, whether they're on the anti-Zionist side, or ... Well, I shouldn't say everyone wants to
make it out alive. It appears that those who want them to make it out are those who are protesting
Netanyahu outside his office and outside the military headquarters who tend to be leftists
or anti-Zionists in Israel. And those who could care less about them getting out are Netanyahu's
supporters and the military supporters and the military commanders themselves. Because what about
this operation suggests that they're actually trying to rescue hostages? Nothing. Absolutely
nothing. And the political dynamics that have been put in play by assaulting everyone in the
Gaza Strip, are sending the message that no negotiations are possible whatsoever.
Netanyahu could fall at any day as this operation goes on, if certain things take place. For
example, if the soldiers that the Israeli military has sent into the few unpopulated areas in
Northern Gaza where they've set up these defacto bases of merkava tanks, if they actually get out
of their tanks and wade into the rubble or try to actually take out tunnels themselves, they're
going to lose many, many lives, and Netanyahu will likely fall, but he would also fall if he
negotiated for the release of these captives. Why? Because of the propaganda that he put into play,
the propaganda was so extreme and so lurid, and they went so far beyond an already horrific
reality on October 7 that the Israeli public has been whipped into such a fervor that they
would not stand for any negotiation with Hamas. So the only objective that can be put forward,
which has been reinforced by Tony Blinken, is regime change in Gaza. And regime change in Gaza
means months and months of grinding, genocidal war in which no captive could possibly survive.
Isn't it straightforward? They took the captives because they wanted a prisoner exchange? Netanyahu could empty the Israeli prisons of four or five, six, I don't know,
10,000 Palestinian prisoners, and they would get there. The hostages would go home, wouldn't they?
Yeah. This isn't about Hamas per se. Hamas does have the political mandate to carry out an armed
struggle. That's why it was elected in 2006, including by people who are not necessarily
Islamists outside of its base. They actually won cities across the West Bank. It wasn't that they
won Gaza, they won all of Palestine that was able to vote. So their mandate is to do armed struggle
to resist where the Bata and the Palestinian authority basically gave up, and they're going
to continue doing that. But Palestinian armed struggle has always been driven by political
demands that were essentially rational and were related to ending ethnic cleansing and ending
the military occupation of Palestinians. The leadership of Hamas put forward clear political
demands at the beginning of Al Aqsa Flood as they did in 2014 during Operation Cast Lead. And they
relate to preventing the incursions of fanatical religious nationalists to the Al Aqsa Compound,
the third holiest site in Islam, they relate to ending the siege of Gaza so that they can actually
determine they can enjoy some sovereignty. They can actually fish in their own seas. They
can have an economy, they can visit Jerusalem. Emptying the Israeli prisons, where something
like 1,500 Palestinians are now held without charges, 700 Palestinian children pass in
and out of these prisons every year. There are currently at least 150, now there's probably 200
Palestinian children being held in these jails. They're hostages. They've been kidnapped. I've
gone to their trials in the Israeli children's courts and they were kidnapped in their own beds. Ahad Tamimi was kidnapped. I've known her since she was a child and her village, Nabi Salih has
been waging this unarmed struggle against the Israeli occupation in the West Bank. Her dad
was kidnapped, Basam, who's really the leader of that struggle and is an international hero.
And so it relates to the whole occupation. And the only way that they could trigger some negotiation,
they believe, was by taking captives, because all diplomatic channels had been cut off. The entire
West had declared Hamas a terrorist organization that could not be negotiated with. So the only way to spur negotiations is through violence. And that's what they did. And what they've done is
forced the essential dynamics of Zionism into an accelerated mode. Because Zionism, as a settler
colonial movement based on an anachronistic ideology, Heron Volk ideology from turn of the
century Europe, has demonstrated its unwillingness to accommodate with the native population as
it seeks to consolidate its settler-colonial presence. And so it must move towards genocide
as all other settler-colonial movements have done. And so that's where we're at right now,
is the phase of whether Israel will be able to finish the job that it began in 1948 or not.
And any negotiations that could have taken place with a rational authority are off limits. This is
also an obvious failure of American and Western leadership to recognize not only what they're
dealing with in the Gaza Strip, which is yet another Palestinian faction that is using
violence to spur political momentum because all diplomatic means had been cut off for them, but
also what they're dealing with in Israel. Where they're dealing with a fundamentally genocidal
political movement, and a genocidal society. This Israeli society is primed for genocide.
You can look at the viral videos. The videos that are going viral in Israeli social media are
parents actually enlisting their own children as props to mock Palestinian children who are dying,
dressing them up in hijab to mock Palestinian girls who are dying, who are being starved, who
are thirsty because the water has been cut off. There's a new trend started by an Israeli
journalist from Channel 13 in Israel of mocking Palestinian prisoners in the West Bank who are
detained for eight hours and forced to listen to a children's song endlessly to torment them,
and they dance around mocking the video of the prisoners. The singer of that children's song was
brought to perform in an Israeli military base. You can look at the footage of all the pop singers
appearing at military bases or in the so-called Gaza Envelope, where reservists are preparing to go into Gaza, and it's straightforward genocidal anthems about re-conquering Gaza,
driving out its inhabitants, and reestablishing Israeli settlements that are even bigger than the
former settlement of Gush Katif. The Israeli Ministry of Intelligence has even introduced
a think tank's paper, which calls for the full ethnic cleansing of Gaza and forced transfer of
its residents to Egypt. They put it forward as an official blueprint for the aftermath
of this operation that they call Iron Swords. So that's what the US has green lit here. And
by trying to spur some basic political momentum and relaxation of the siege -- Hamas might've
just agreed to a relaxation of the siege to be able to deliver something for their constituents -- By trying to do that with violence when all diplomatic channels have been cut off,
what they've done is forced this conflict into its final phase. I don't think Israel
will stop before it believes that it has finished the job that it began in 1948.
Great. That was Max Blumenthal from The Grayzone. You can read his article, "October 7 Testimonies
Reveal Israel's Military Shelling Israeli Citizens With Tanks and Missiles" at The
Grayzone. I want to thank The Real News Network and its production team: Cameron Granadino, Adam Coley, David Hebden, and Kayla Rivara. You can find me at chrisedges.substack.com.
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@philliphudson9092
1 year ago
I am 70 and I never ever thought I would witness such atrocities,it really is beyond a civilized persons understanding.
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@Helzakath
1 year ago
"Two months before Oct. 7, the Pentagon began building a $35.8 million troop facility in Israel’s Negev desert, 20 miles from Gaza, allegedly as a radar site to monitor for missile attacks on Israel. The base is part of a “secret” U.S. military presence in Israel." (The Intercept, Oct. 27)
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@Joseluz1969
1 year ago
The Hannibal doctrine used in the Israeli army is horrible enough, but to apply that to civilians of your own country and just massacre them just to dealing with them as hostages is so appalling, so inhumane. It basically means that the lives of your own fellow countrymen loose their value once they fall into enemy hands. It considers civilians to be disposable items.
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@starsky0027
1 year ago
It would be a sad sad world without YouTube, truth seekers, light workers, freedom of speech and real-life journalism.
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@markpiersall9815
1 year ago
There is $500 billion in Natural Gas and oil off the coast of Gaza. British Petroleum just inked a $1.5 billion investment deal to produce gas offshore of Gaza. Israel is pocketing the Royalties, not Palestinian Semitic people in Gaza.
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@BarryStephenson-b2q
1 year ago
An Israeli woman who survived the Hamas assault on settlements near the Gaza boundary on 7 October says Israeli civilians were “undoubtedly” killed by their own security forces.
It happened when Israeli forces engaged in fierce gun battles with Palestinian fighters in Kibbutz Be’eri and fired indiscriminately at both the fighters and their Israeli prisoners.
“They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she told Israeli radio. “There was very, very heavy crossfire” and even tank shelling.
The woman, 44-year-old mother of three Yasmin Porat, said that prior to that, she and other civilians had been held by the Palestinians for several hours and treated “humanely.” She had fled the nearby “Nova” rave.
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@tamerlane7
1 year ago
Netenyahu must be held accountable for committing war crimes, not only against the Palestinians but also against the Israeli civilians.
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@jaythomas3224
1 year ago
Breaking News: South Africa is asking the ICC to bring the racist NUT-ENYAHOO regime up on war-crimes
The W.H.O. chief said that hospitals in Gaza must be allowed to function as a hospital EVEN if its suspected terrorist are inside. Cutting off fuel makes that IMPOSSIBLE. Then went further to call out the UN and asked what are they there for?
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@jimdon5409
1 year ago
I really hope all this comes out and exposes the evil of our leaders!
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@TheBobbymcd
1 year ago
The truth needs to come out about what the Israeli army are doing
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@nmath9665
1 year ago
I am so taken by this wonderful young journalist risking his life for finding the truth. I want you to know that you are appreciated. We were fed lies for so many years, including 911, Iraq war, Afghanistan war, Libya, Syria and many more that are obvious and many atrocities that are hidden. We are sick of these lies. These lies have made the life of every good citizen of the world miserable and toxic. Thank you again
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@mariaspear9062
1 year ago
The genocide that happens on civilians in Gaza,and particulary in The Shia hospital now is so horrific there is no words.The world are looking on.This will go down as a really BLACK friday and as a time in history that are not in favour for the human race.
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@KishorPasha
1 year ago
“We know too well that our freedom is incomplete without the freedom of the Palestinians.” ― Nelson Mandela.
Be sure You will lose Israel. Fight for freedom continues.
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@reapop-u3n
5 months ago
Chris, Max...thank you for your stalwart journalism. Your reporting and analysis is deeply appreciated.
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@jamesbroomfield7799
1 year ago
Let's be honest, the idea and Netanyahu do not care about their own hostages. Of course on TV they're going to say they care about the hostages but just think if Israel is blocking clean water, feel, electricity and medical supplies, that affects the hostages also. If they're blocking food and water what are the hostages going to eat and that's not even taking into account the bombings. Those hostages have to be somewhere in Gaza in one of those buildings or scattered around in different buildings so if they're bombing every other building they're most likely going to kill the hostages too and if the bombings don't kill him like I said no water no food no medical supply and no electricity is going to kill them then. But Netanyahu doesn't carry he'll just blame her mom's for it he'll say Hamas killed all their hostages but you got to use common sense. Why would Hamas kill all these hostages out of the blue, you have to ask yourself. The whole point of having a hostages is to have some leverage and some type of deal. But like I said Netanyahu does not care about not only Palestinian civilians he doesn't even care about his own civilians
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@michaeldusso6882
1 year ago
It is as if the lid has finally been lifted off of this long-festering cancer on the U.S., and the TRUTH is gloriously manifesting itself to all. THANX to Chris and Max.
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@ali-onaissi
1 year ago
My name is Ali Onaissi and I was born in Brazil. All my solidarity with the suffering Palestinian people. And I also thank the Jews who fight for justice and true peace.
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@Ahmed-mr4xo
1 year ago
The hostages are important and reputable eye witnesses. Netanyahu does not want them released ,their collective version of events will contradict his version.
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@Beechcraft19
1 year ago
Respect to you Sir for the truth and for revealing truth and accuracy of your reporting
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@domenicozagari2443
1 year ago
IF YOU FIGHT FOR YOUR HOME YOU ARE NOT A TERRORIST, THE TERRORIST IS THE ONE THAT WANTS TO STEAL YOUR HOME.
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@harmansarwar4557
1 year ago
Thank you for reporting this. Respect.
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@LAJiini
1 year ago
Ugh. I've been through checkpoints. You understand Israel right away once you've gone through a checkpoint.
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@Cousin27
1 year ago
how can a 5 year old child be guilty of what happened on October 7 and before. over 6 thousand children have died in Gaza. children are starving in Gaza. Israel stop killing innocents.
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@janetwebb1507
10 months ago
Good Guy Jewish Max Blumenthal Always Stands for TRUTH
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@lizsegal5328
1 year ago
Sounds like Doctor's family deliberately targeted because he refused to evacuate the hospital.
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@samia1837
1 year ago
Thank you for stating the truth, it takes a real man and a brave one to do this! May God bless you for who you are!
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@IAT1964
1 year ago
My family went thru Nazi occupation in Eastern Europe. What Israel is doing here is very reminiscent of what my parents and their extended families went thru. Absolutely disgusting
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@Jamshedac-gf4bh
1 year ago
Hello everyone yes this is my first meeting with The Real News I find quite close to reality and correct explaining thank you very much
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@edriley2703
1 year ago
These facts need to be reported in the mainstream media. I had heard of the Hannibel Directive early on in this conflict. It seems as this order was given on October 7th. Yet, the general public has no idea of what's true and false info.
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@ingridhildebrandt8053
1 year ago
I also think Netanyahu is not interested in saving the hostiges. This is so terrible.
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@cralterwonkite
1 year ago
This needs to go VIRAL, starting with every one of us in this audience! Mad respect for your reporting with such integrity!
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@bellabacci8056
1 year ago (edited)
Idgaf , Palestinians have been oppressed for 75 yrs . Reap what you sow.
Free free Palestine 🇵🇸 🕊️
Much love ❤️ from Italia 🇮🇹✝️
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@kbarnbrook4993
1 year ago
Israel now admit they shot at their own people using a helicopter gunship, saying they were aiming at hamas, but yet aimed at random people.
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@jotsingh8917
1 year ago
There is never as much lies as before an election, during a war and after a hunting trip.” - Otto von Bismarck
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@refoliation
1 year ago
It seems clear to me, even when looking at their current tactics of using armor with little to no infantry support in Gaza, the thing the Israeli state fears most is captured Israelis - combatants or non. It puts tremendous domestic pressure on them, which is exactly the kind of pressure they are least prepared to resist.
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@musahaliabubakar7891
6 months ago
May Allah strengthen and protect objective journalism and individuals like you. Time would judge those promoting genocide in Gaza. It is a disgrace to humanity and common sense.
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@linanicolia1363
1 year ago
I have a simple theory that is behind the genocide . I see Bibi as pissed at his people who did not agree with his new regulations to control them ; changing their democracy to a new level of "autocracy" with him in charge. He organized the slaughter at the concert , making sure no security was triggered...allowing it, to occur. He then had the freedom card to proclaim, he was at war with Hamas .The smirk on his felon mug said it all. He wanted to be at war with Hamas and get rid of the Palestinians, for decades. He now, had carte blanche. His government should have exposed him as a fraud when they had a chance. They blew it, and now, there is this unleashed monster, who feels vindicated , with the help of the US behind him. That is my "view" of the genocide happening in Gaza. Bibi should have been locked up but he got loose.....How ironic is that ? A person who should know about genocides is now, the trigger of another genocide, using different excuses, to validate his psychotic behavior. How was that missed ? HOW ???????...
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@dougthomson5544
1 year ago (edited)
I have a friend whose only sister was killed in Gaza. Right now, I have no idea if my friend and her family are alive. It is insane. There is no whitewashing Hamas, but Israel’s response is genocidal. Egypt’s response is disgusting.
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@ovtheabyss84
1 year ago
Meanwhile IDF left the premature babies to die in that hospital only to be found later in a state of decomposition. It is haunting to comprehend.
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@brendanwood1540
9 months ago
My town only has 53 000 people in it. Israel has erased my whole town. An entire city. All the kids from all the schools. Everyone gone. It's just hard to appreciate the scale of destruction. Trying to imagine everyone and everything around me gone. It's beyond words.
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@BlackSeedOil20
1 year ago (edited)
Imagine being Israeli and learning your family members were murdered by your own forces when they hoped to be saved. Will you ever trust your police and army to ever save you? 😢
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@TheAmity
1 year ago
I have been following Israel/Palestine politics, news and analysis for about 45 years since the revolution in my country and I am hardly impressed most of the time because they are mostly familiar/repetitive to me. Your guy's report/analysis was very impressive, informative and truthful. Thank You.
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@MJB0110
1 year ago
Thank you for sharing. I wish the entire world could hear your words. Especially our spineless, ignorant & dumb western politicians.
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@nokiamv183
5 months ago
I thank you all for this informative documentary. Thank you very much and indescribable thanks to everyone. As a citizen of the world, I am so helpless and sad to see how governments support these inhumane, horrific acts with all means. I am glad that there are people like you. That gives me strength and hope and I realize that I am not alone in what is happening through human failure. I ask you to continue making such films and to keep us informed so that we can somehow stay in touch with the people in Palestinian through you.
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@scrappylor
1 year ago
There is only one thing that the security council should vote on , is, to cease fire ,and independently look at the whole picture . All countries that abstain or veto , should not hold a place in the security council , until this investigation is complete . It's not only a fight for the Palestinian people ,but a fight for humanity . To pause is is only an effort to be seen as caring .
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@NoureddineBn-z2m
1 year ago
Israel's "right to defend itself" is constantly invoked by its supporters, but international law provides that Israel cannot both occupy Palestinian territory and attack it as a "foreign" threat, nor deal with those who resist him like enemy combatants.
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@shibeshi2637
1 year ago
Blumenthal has solved the riddle.This is an eye opening conversation.Thanks.
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@ReneStover-jq5gk
1 year ago
Chris and Max have both been reporting the truth for many years
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@penhdog2207
1 year ago
This is what I want to know. I want to hear the brutal truth and no BS. Bring it Max and Chris.
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@livondiramerian6999
1 year ago
Greed employs all evil means to fulfill its goals, but greed is an illness that will destroy the greedy.
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@karenbryant2
1 year ago
This makes it more likely that Israel allowed Hamas's action so they could use it as an excuse for the genocide in Gaza.
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@harmoni4499
1 year ago (edited)
Thanks to Chris & Max for being true journalist!
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@amarbenaissa4519
1 year ago
Wow!! a real eye-opener. Why don't CNN and BBC bring people like you; or is it because you speak the truth?
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@RadiantStar8997
1 year ago
Thank you Max Blumenthal, for your tenacious pursuit of the truth as to what happened on October 7th.
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@Raptor0750
1 year ago
Thank you Judge and Aaron!!
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@Chasee445
1 year ago
Max, thank you for your work and integrity.
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@garybeaton3802
1 year ago
4000 likes based on 8025 views! A 50% ratio is amazing.
It also gives you some idea how pissed the general public world-wide is at Israel's genocide of Palestinians. And how desperate the public is for accurate reporting.
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@petermcculloch4933
1 year ago
The Hamas objective on October 7th - take captives to be traded for Israeli held Palestinian prisoners, makes sense.The burnt out motor vehicles explanation also clears up a major confusion about the torched cars.As for the Israeli citizens killed by IDF.I was aware some of the victims were shot by their own army.
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@roni_aust1594
1 year ago
Every female hostage that returned from Gaza said in interviews that they were not raped.
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@aptorres01
1 year ago
Amazing work from two of the best journalists in my lifetime.
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@rajkaregakhalsa3030
1 year ago
Who remembers Bush lying about 9/11
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@dianacasey6002
1 year ago
Could we assume that the reason they don’t want to have the hostages released is because they would tell the truth about the idk.
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@user755b
5 months ago
Hatred breeds hatred. Centuries are gone but we have not learnt a lesson to live in peace and harmony with others. We human beings still doing the same, what our forefathers were doing for the centuries. We are still greedy and occupying and stealing the lands of others and displacing millions of people!
Only fairness, justice, rule of law, equality, equal opportunities, merit and human dignity can bring peace and harmony amongst all communities around the world. Thank you very much.
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@Laura-LaFauve
1 year ago
I was just telling my grandson, after he showed me something on YouTube where a monster was eating babies, he was trying to figure out if the piece was true or not.
I told him, anytime someone is talking about eating babies, it's not true. It's just the worst thing anyone can think of for someone to do. So, if you want to make a monster or a person seem truly evil, you accuse them of eating babies.
Or, burning them in an oven, I guess.
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@andrewhowson7540
1 year ago
The truth is worse than the lie.
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@irfaankureembokus4160
1 year ago
thats true journalism, honest guys. Hats off guys
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@RedImaginationbyGG
1 year ago
THIS makes a lot of sense!!! We need to keep spreading truth like these in order to achieve justice and humanity. So the world don't turn a blind eye.
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@kneedeacon2309
1 year ago
Thank you Mr Chris Hedges for revealing the truth of exactly what happened on October 7. You becareful now- your safety maybe at risks. May God bless ye.
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@CarnivorePioneers
1 year ago
Finally someone speaking the truth! considering the israeli old lady testimony about how well she was treated by the palestine resistance. it is hard to believe the israeli narrative about oct 7th.
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@Juan-ud3if
1 year ago
SALUTE CHRIS HEDGES FOR BRINGING THE TRUTH TO HUMANITY ALL HIS LIFE.🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋🙋
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@vocal-hm3yo
1 year ago
Interview the survivors of Oct.7th. They say,he said,she said holds no value.
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@PassportsandPostcards
1 year ago
The Truth needs to be told.
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@dianagwinn8143
1 year ago
If you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it, and you will even come to believe it yourself.
Joseph Geobbels
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@mellieelle
1 year ago
I mean, I feel like every critical thinker alive has been piecing this together... but to have someone articulate it so clearly, thank you, Max! Grateful to have discovered Hedges in my early 20s, he's truly a pillar of my conceptual framework. Great episode!
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@DominieRobinson
8 months ago (edited)
Be-hold the Power of TRUTH and a Real TRUTH Seeker ! All the World NEEDS to KNOW ! HIGHEST Respect to Chris Hedges and Max Blumenthol !
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@MohammedAli-xv6es
1 year ago
Chris Hedges and Max Blumenthal in one video?…the team up I never knew I needed. Much love, gentlemen/souls.
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@almaisic-spahovic5683
1 year ago
Thank you so much for being honest and brave people that just want to find out truth and tell the world
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@barbaraseymour3437
1 year ago
Lawdy. What an absolute mess. I’m not surprised to hear of the Israeli/Netanyahu &co. duplicity. Do hope this gets a tremendous amount of pubLicity.
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@rrotstein
1 year ago
Outstanding, informative reporting. Max Blumenthal: you've got brains and guts.
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@hhhson3622
1 year ago (edited)
this documentary should be broadcasted worldwide NOW.
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@carole2799
1 year ago
I hope you can get this message out to mainstream news outlets. This story needs to get to as many people as possible.
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@stumalcolm9500
1 year ago (edited)
I'm so thankful to Chris and Max for the integrity of their reporting on Gaza. Our corporate media's failure to report the truth about October 7 and its aftermath, which would contradict to the messaging out of the State Department, is truly egregious and inexcusable. If you care about being truly informed, I encourage anyone reading this comment to take the step of providing financial assistance to Max and Chris, through their platforms, so that this sort of reporting continues to see the light of day. I am a proud supporter of both of them and will continue to share my retirement income with them to to keep their videos and keystrokes coming.
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@earthspirit516
4 months ago
These type of young people like Max are going to create a much better future for humanity....
Unfortunately,the Hippie Generation (who were so passionate for peace,love, brotherhood and stopping the war)was not able to accomplish this.They laid the groundwork. Columbia University used the 1960s rebellion as inspiration.
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@carameldee326
1 year ago
This reminds me of the Tulsa Oklahoma massacre how they LIED to cause a Genocide on All of them Innocent People🙏🏾 My People!!!
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