“The First Live-Streamed Genocide”: Al Jazeera Exposes War Crimes Israeli Troops Filmed Themselves
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A new documentary from Al Jazeera takes a look at evidence of war crimes in Gaza in the form of social media posted by Israeli soldiers recording and celebrating their own attacks on Palestinians. We play excerpts from the film Investigating War Crimes in Gaza, now available online, and speak to two of the journalists involved in its production, director Richard Sanders and Gaza-based correspondent Youmna ElSayed. “Israelis themselves were telling us precisely what they were doing and why they were doing it,” says Sanders about the evidence the team reviewed. “They don’t think it’s complicated. They don’t think it’s nuanced. Their rhetoric is often overtly genocidal.” ElSayed adds, “They’ve had all the courage to do that because they know that they are not even going to be condemned.”
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0:00this news is funded by viewers like you please support our work at democracynow.org
0:077 secondsthis is democracy Now democracynow.org War peace in the presidency I'm Amy Goodman and I'm n sh Welcome to our
0:1515 secondslisteners and viewers across the country and around the world Health officials in Gaza say the death toll from Israel's war has now
0:2323 secondstopped 42,000 though many fear the actual death toll is far higher We Begin Today's Show looking at how Israeli troops have
0:3131 secondsrepeatedly filmed themselves committing and celebrating war crimes in Gaza Al jaz's investigative unit has just
0:3838 secondsreleased a documentary on Israeli war crimes based in part on social media posts from Israeli soldiers themselves the documentary begins with the
0:4747 secondsPalestinian novelist Susan abulhawa as well as footage of the al- AA school massacre in July when Israeli troops
0:5454 secondskilled at least 31 people at a school Sheltering displaced Palestinians the moment the bomb exploded was captured on
1:011 minute, 1 secondvideo by someone recording a youth soccer game in the AL AA School
1:101 minute, 10 seconds[Music]
1:201 minute, 20 secondsCourtyard the West cannot hide they cannot claim ignorance nobody can say they didn't
1:271 minute, 27 secondsknow we live in an era of technology and this
1:351 minute, 35 secondshas been described as the first live stream genocide in history and I believe that to be
1:481 minute, 48 secondstrue they are conducting a genocide now with Glee they're setting their atrocities to
1:551 minute, 55 secondsmusic and putting them on catchy res on Tik Tok
2:022 minutes, 2 seconds[Music]
2:082 minutes, 8 secondsordinary Israelis see what their military is doing and celebrate
2:142 minutes, 14 secondsit a crowd is singing may your Village
2:222 minutes, 22 secondsburn it's not just Fringe elements who see this and think it's a good thing when protects its home it fights
2:322 minutes, 32 secondsand we will fight until we'll break their backbone it's not true this retoric about civilians not aware not involved
2:402 minutes, 40 secondsit's absolutely not
2:422 minutes, 42 seconds[Applause]
2:432 minutes, 43 secondstrue it's an entire nation out there that is responsible
2:502 minutes, 50 seconds[Applause]
3:003 minutes[Music]
3:033 minutes, 3 secondsan excerpt from a new documentary on Israeli war crimes made by alzer's investigative unit that last speaker was
3:123 minutes, 12 secondsthe Israeli president Isaac Herzog this is another clip from the documentary we hear from Human Rights watch's associate
3:193 minutes, 19 secondsdirector for the Middle East and North Africa Bill van esvelt the clips begin with video posted online by the Israeli
3:293 minutes, 29 seconds200 second paratroopers Battalion that shows a possible War crime of the shooting of unarmed Palestinians in Gaza
3:383 minutes, 38 secondsthis is a graphic warning as troops leave Gaza they Place commemorative videos
3:483 minutes, 48 secondsonline when they meet the 202nd Battalion they are going to regret being
3:553 minutes, 55 secondsborn this video documents the activities of the 202nd paratroopers
4:024 minutes, 2 seconds[Music]
4:164 minutes, 16 secondsBattalion I'm just going to hold this here I'm going to play this back again this is extraordinary fact that he's put
4:244 minutes, 24 secondsthis onto video he's released this on YouTube to me is is kind of quite extraordinary but degree of
4:334 minutes, 33 secondsimpunity the video shows two other instances where unarmed men are shot by
4:444 minutes, 44 secondssnipers now of course I don't know the context of what happened before I don't know what happened 2 minutes before that they may have been involved in contacting and shooting at Israeli
4:524 minutes, 52 secondsforces they may have been legitimate targets but it sure doesn't look like it to me an excerpt from a new documentary on Israeli War crimes made by alzer's
5:015 minutes, 1 secondinvestigative unit we're joined Now by two guests Yun alad is a correspondent for Al jazer who is based in the Gaza
5:095 minutes, 9 secondsStrip and Richard Sanders is the director of alzer's ey unit's new featurelength documentary investigating
5:165 minutes, 16 secondswar crimes in Gaza um Yuna let's begin with you um as you narrate this film if
5:245 minutes, 24 secondsyou can talk about the video footage that we see that is actually Tak by Israeli soldiers
5:355 minutes, 35 secondsthemselves yes um thank you for having me on your show again Emmy um of course Israeli soldiers in Gaza
5:445 minutes, 44 secondstaking these videos and posting them on different social media platforms they haven't been they've had all the courage
5:525 minutes, 52 secondsto do that because they know that they are not even going to be condemned by uh posting these videos
6:006 minutesthey are showing off how much they dehumanize Palestinians how much um they kill they destroy their properties they
6:096 minutes, 9 secondsuh uh completely torture them and dehumanized them in in different ways whether their children their men their
6:176 minutes, 17 secondswomen um they brag about it and they're very proud of their doings and all this
6:246 minutes, 24 secondscomes back to the fact that the Israeli Army acts with complete impunity and they know that even these videos being
6:346 minutes, 34 secondsposted online they won't even be shown in other Western uh um uh news uh
6:416 minutes, 41 secondsOutlets to point out how um how how horrific these videos have actions
6:516 minutes, 51 secondscommitted by the Israeli Army towards the civilians on the contrary uh Benjamin Netanyahu comes out and says we
6:596 minutes, 59 secondsare the most moral army in the world when in reality they are the most inhumane army in the world as a
7:097 minutes, 9 secondsjournalist as a civilian in any war zone I'm supposed to have that guarantee that
7:167 minutes, 16 secondsa soldier from any other uh um any other place in the world any other nationality
7:257 minutes, 25 secondsin the world as long as he carries that term that definition that he is a Soldier he must have morals he must have
7:337 minutes, 33 secondsethics that he would not hurt me as an unarmed civilian as a journalist as a
7:427 minutes, 42 secondsparamedic but in Gaza for them every single Palestinian as long as you are a
7:497 minutes, 49 secondsPalestinian you are a legitimate Target I just want to issue a slight correction the the person in the first
7:587 minutes, 58 secondsclip that we showed from the documentary uh was not Bill van eseld of a Human Rights Watch but rather Charlie Herbert
8:068 minutes, 6 secondsuh retired British Major General so Richard Sanders if we could turn to you uh talk about the origins of this
8:158 minutes, 15 secondsdocumentary the fact that it begins with the Palestinian novelist Susan abulhawa saying we're in an era of technology and
8:248 minutes, 24 secondsthis has been described as the first live stream genocide in history I mean in a way the film itself documents
8:318 minutes, 31 secondsprecisely how it is a live stream genocide if you could elaborate well thank you for having me
8:398 minutes, 39 secondsAmy yes I mean that's precisely why we begin um the film with those comments from Susan abala the essential point of
8:488 minutes, 48 secondsthe whole film is is no one can hide um the Israelis themselves were telling us
8:558 minutes, 55 secondsprecisely what they were doing and why they were doing it the film is rooted in these soldiers videos of which there are
9:029 minutes, 2 secondsthousands and thousands and and we didn't pick particularly damaging examples they're all like that I me one
9:109 minutes, 10 secondsthing that's very striking is what you don't see um in these videos is combat or very rarely there's very little um combat every now and then you see
9:189 minutes, 18 secondssoldiers expending an enormous amount of ammunition but they're frequently standing up and there's clearly no incoming um so that's what you would
9:279 minutes, 27 secondsthink soldiers would want should Post online but they don't now it's not only soldiers videos of course we have in in the film um there is Israeli media uh
9:369 minutes, 36 secondsIsraeli politicians and Israeli social media um we're we're not picking again as Susan says at the beginning of the
9:459 minutes, 45 secondsfilm we're not pinking unrepresentative examples um in the west there is sometimes this rhetoric even when people
9:539 minutes, 53 secondsaren't overtly supportive of the of the Israelis there is this rhetoric of it's complicated it's nuanced it's difficult and what
10:0210 minutes, 2 secondswe're really saying in this film is listen to Israelis listen to Israelis they don't think it's complicated they don't think it's nuanced their rhetoric
10:1110 minutes, 11 secondsis often overtly genocidal it's certainly frequently all about ethnic cleansing they couldn't have been
10:1710 minutes, 17 secondsclearer about what they were doing and and if we are ignorant we're willfully ignorant so Richard Sanders how do you
10:2610 minutes, 26 secondsinterpret the fact that these uh videos were made and posted so liberally by Israeli soldiers themselves I mean the
10:3510 minutes, 35 secondsobvious question is to what extent did they think they were totally immune uh from any kind of repercussions as a
10:4310 minutes, 43 secondsconsequence of what they were doing which you know if you see those clips that you show in the documentary are so obviously uh war crimes in fact the
10:5110 minutes, 51 secondsinternational legal expert whom you spoke to said that it's very uncommon to have Clips like this he said a treasure
10:5810 minutes, 58 secondsTrove which very seldom come across something which I think prosecutors will be licking their lips at so if you could
11:0711 minutes, 7 secondsjust you know talk about that how what do you make of the fact that soldiers themselves so openly transparently and
11:1611 minutes, 16 secondswidely distributed their own acts that could be construed as war
11:2411 minutes, 24 secondscrimes they they clearly felt this would be popular in Israel they were competing for clicks you know and they were right
11:3211 minutes, 32 secondsthese these videos were popular you know they were using um some of the photos they took of themselves on dating apps
11:4011 minutes, 40 secondsso again and yes as as you say um it speaks to an astonishing sense of impunity I mean the clip you've played
11:4711 minutes, 47 secondsthere where you actually see unarmed men being shot that's fairly unusual but even so that was put on YouTube by the
11:5411 minutes, 54 secondspeople who did it now you know what we very much hope is that this material and of course there's an awful lot of material additionally which isn't in the
12:0212 minutes, 2 secondsfilm this material will be of use um to the ICC and it's quite interesting within Israel if you follow Hebrew
12:1012 minutes, 10 secondslanguage social media there's been a panicky um deleting of social media accounts over the last few days but it's too late we've we've got it all saved I
12:1812 minutes, 18 secondswant to turn to another clip from your new Al jaer investigates documentary when we see Israeli soldiers in footage
12:2612 minutes, 26 secondsthat they themselves shared talking about the complete destruction of the Shaya refugee camp in
12:3412 minutes, 34 secondsGaza butterfly station this is command we're launching operation eighth candle of Hanukkah the burning of shua
12:4512 minutes, 45 secondsneighborhood let our enemies learn and be deterred this is what we'll do to all our enemies and not a memory will be
12:5212 minutes, 52 secondsleft of them we will annihilate them to dust command out the destruction of buildings is
12:5912 minutes, 59 secondsregularly featured often set to
13:1013 minutes, 10 seconds[Music]
13:2013 minutes, 20 secondsmusic you see huge blocks getting blown up universities getting blown up
13:3113 minutes, 31 secondsso that clip ended uh with Human Rights Watch uh Bill van esfeld uh Richard could you U respond to uh what we saw
13:4013 minutes, 40 secondsthere and also you know what most surprised you as you were researching this documentary I mean there's
13:4713 minutes, 47 secondsextremely disturbing testimony that we hear and just a couple of examples a man who says he was forced to lie on a
13:5613 minutes, 56 secondsdecomposing corpse as well as another in a Detention Center in southern Israel who witnessed a young inmate being raped
14:0414 minutes, 4 secondsby a dog to be absolutely honest with you
14:1014 minutes, 10 secondsnothing surprised me um it's what um I would have imagined was happening inside
14:1814 minutes, 18 secondsGaza I would say imagine 40 years ago before social media and and you know before every every camera every phone had had a camera this would all have
14:2614 minutes, 26 secondsbeen done in the dark but in a sense makes no difference as we say in the film because they've posted it all online and the only thing I would say that surprises me I'm not surprised that
14:3514 minutes, 35 secondsthe Israeli soldiers Feel Complete impunity and so on but but the fact that higher up the chain of command and in the government they clearly feel the
14:4314 minutes, 43 secondssame impunity as well no one has come down the line and cracked down on this and said stop doing it it's quite clear
14:5114 minutes, 51 secondsthat Israeli politicians and Israeli military commanders feel that they enjoy complete impunity for what they're doing
14:5814 minutes, 58 secondsin the Gaza Strip as well um I want to bring go back to yumna El SED last year
15:0515 minutes, 5 secondswe spoke with you in Gaza shortly after an Israeli air strike had just killed the family of your colleague Al jaz's
15:1315 minutes, 13 secondsGaza bureau chief Wu he learned of the deaths of his wife son daughter and Grandson while reporting live on the air
15:2215 minutes, 22 secondsthe Israeli strike on the new sedat refugee camp killed at least 25 people in total and what elu had fled to the
15:3015 minutes, 30 secondsrefugee camp with his family after Israel ordered residents of Northern Gaza to vacate their homes this yumna is what you said
15:3915 minutes, 39 secondsthen when we say there's no safe place in Gaza we're not lying we're not being
15:4615 minutes, 46 secondsbiased we're not exagerating the north Gaza City and the
15:5215 minutes, 52 secondsSouth they're all just the same in terms of bombardment in terms of
16:0016 minutestargeting and in all the life conditions so that was last October
16:0816 minutes, 8 secondsbefore this we spoke to you yumna in 2021 when you were reporting in Gaza and Israel bombed and leveled a 12-story
16:1716 minutes, 17 secondsbuilding that housed the offices of media organizations that you worked for including the Associated Press and El
16:2516 minutes, 25 secondsjazer Israel claimed without evidence the building was being used by Hamas operatives what do you think the message
16:3216 minutes, 32 secondsis that was delivered to the media by this attack on the main media offices Al
16:3916 minutes, 39 secondsjazer nap where you work other media organizations um now Tony blinkin the US Secretary of State saying he was not
16:4816 minutes, 48 secondstold of uh any direct evidence of Hamas working in this building yes and I'm sure that there
16:5616 minutes, 56 secondsisn't going to be any I the Israeli Army when it has when it has the proof for anything to back its story
17:0417 minutes, 4 secondsit it it provides it once at once instantly I mean it wants to back a story it has to okay but in in it's not
17:1417 minutes, 14 secondsa coincidence that three towers hosting media offices would be completely
17:2117 minutes, 21 secondsdestructive this is no quence I mean this is just a deliberate
17:2717 minutes, 27 secondstargeting to the media voice this Tri so that's yumna eled um in 2021 you notice
17:3617 minutes, 36 secondsthere we not seeing her face because the media building that we would talk to her in was blown up that housed Al jazer
17:4317 minutes, 43 secondsthat housed lpap and then speaking again after well at this point we're talking about something like
17:5217 minutes, 52 seconds174 journalists and media workers killed um in Gaza if you can talk talk about
17:5917 minutes, 59 secondsthe significance of this um and in your reporting on this documentary um the
18:0618 minutes, 6 secondskilling of journalists in addition to doctors and nurses and um uh paramedics
18:1318 minutes, 13 secondsand uh ambulance drivers yumna well Emy I've always said this and
18:2118 minutes, 21 secondsI continue saying it that every single time there is a war or a conflict in the Gaza Strip military escalation something
18:2918 minutes, 29 secondsthat was so much easier than what we have been going through for the past year this ongoing genocide there was
18:3618 minutes, 36 secondsalways an attack on the journalists and their offices in the Gaza Strip in 2021
18:4418 minutes, 44 secondsthe largest three towers media buildings uh housing all media offices in Gaza
18:5018 minutes, 50 secondswere completely destroyed Alara had over 50 media offices a shuk tower uh the same and
18:5918 minutes, 59 secondsand the AP as well in in that Tower alone this is Israel's first approach
19:0619 minutes, 6 secondstowards journalists and their offices in Gaza at the beginning of any War it's
19:1219 minutes, 12 secondsalways to try to make their job as difficult and as impossible as ever and
19:2019 minutes, 20 secondsit's not just in wars and Military escalations I mean uh at the protests of the great March of return when we used
19:2719 minutes, 27 secondsto cover these protest protests and these protests were taking place in the borders on the borders and from the
19:3619 minutes, 36 secondsPalestinian side where there is a buffer zone of 300 M away from that security fence that was infiltrated on the 7th of
19:4519 minutes, 45 secondsOctober when someone approached those 300 M away from the security fence they
19:5219 minutes, 52 secondswere shot and we were labeled as journalists and even away from that area we would be targeted with gas grenades
20:0120 minutes, 1 secondthat drones came and dropped them over our head so it was not a coincidence at any of those times this time we've
20:1020 minutes, 10 secondsalways spoken for many years about the suppression and oppression and and violations and aggression of the Israeli Army towards Palestinian journalists but
20:1920 minutes, 19 secondsthis year or last year this suppression and oppression and fight against the freedom of press has not only been
20:2820 minutes, 28 secondsagainst the Palestinian journalists if you've seen it has reached and affected all International journalists as well
20:3620 minutes, 36 secondsbecause Israel has banned them from entering the Gaza Strip and no matter how much letters they have issued no
20:4420 minutes, 44 secondsmatter what kind of pressure they have tried to uh put on the Israeli government to allow them to enter the
20:5120 minutes, 51 secondsGaza Strip to do their legitimate responsibility and work they were banned they were declined so that oppression
20:5920 minutes, 59 secondsthat we have been speaking about for years has also affected the international journalists today but on
21:0721 minutes, 7 secondsthe other hand the violation the aggression against the Palestinian journalists because we are Palestinian
21:1421 minutes, 14 secondsand we are inside the Gaza Strip has been unprecedented The Killing
21:2121 minutes, 21 seconds175 Palestinian journalists until today have been killed how many others dozens others have been injured and our
21:3021 minutes, 30 secondsfamilies threatened and killed and injured I unimaginable numbers I want to
21:3821 minutes, 38 secondsthank you both for being with us yumna elad Al jazer correspondent based in the Gaza Strip though speaking to us from
21:4621 minutes, 46 secondsLondon and Richard Sanders director of Al jazer I unit's new featur length documentary investigating war crimes in
21:5621 minutes, 56 secondsGaza democracy Now is funded by viewers like you please give today at democracynow.org
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세진님, 보내주신 자료 <가자에서의 전쟁범죄 조사> (Investigating War Crimes in Gaza)에 대한 요점 정리와 평론입니다.
요점 정리
다큐멘터리의 성격과 출처: 알자지라(Al Jazeera)의 조사 부서가 제작한 이 다큐멘터리는 가자 지구에서 이스라엘 군인들이 직접 촬영하여 소셜 미디어에 게시한 수천 개의 영상을 바탕으로 이스라엘의 전쟁 범죄 혐의를 폭로한다.
기록된 범죄와 행태: 영상에는 무장하지 않은 팔레스타인 민간인에 대한 저격, 학교 및 대학교 등 민간 시설의 파괴, 그리고 이를 축하하는 군인들의 모습이 담겨 있다.
군인들은 이러한 행위를 음악과 함께 편집하여 틱톡(TikTok)이나 유튜브(YouTube)에 게시하며 자랑스러워하는 모습을 보인다. 제노사이드(집단학살) 수사: 팔레스타인 소설가 수잔 아불하와(Susan Abulhawa)는 이를 역사상 <첫 실시간 스트리밍 제노사이드>라고 정의한다.
다큐멘터리 감독 리처드 샌더스(Richard Sanders)는 이스라엘 군인들의 수사(rhetoric)가 매우 노골적이고 집단학살적이라고 지적한다. 이스라엘 사회의 반응과 처벌의 부재: 이러한 영상들은 이스라엘 내부에서 큰 인기를 끌며 공유되었으며, 지휘 계통이나 정치권에서 이를 제지하지 않는다는 점이 이스라엘 군의 완전한 <면죄부(impunity)> 문화를 시정한다.
언론인 표적 공격: 가자 지구 내 언론인 174명 이상이 사망했으며, 알자지라를 포함한 주요 언론사 건물이 고의적으로 파괴되는 등 보도를 막기 위한 체계적인 탄압이 이루어지고 있다.
평론: 기록된 잔혹성, 기술이 폭로한 면죄부의 민낯
이 다큐멘터리는 현대 전쟁사에서 유례없는 도덕적 파산을 목격하게 한다. 과거의 전쟁 범죄가 은폐와 부인 속에 묻혔다면, 가자에서의 비극은 가해자들이 스스로를 주인공으로 세운 <디지털 전리품>으로 기록되고 있다는 점에서 충격적이다.
가장 섬뜩한 지점은 가해자들의 <천진난만한 당당함>이다. 군인들이 자신의 범죄를 데이팅 앱에 올리거나 조회수를 경쟁하는 모습은 팔레스타인인에 대한 비인격화(dehumanization)가 단순한 군사 교육을 넘어 이스라엘 사회 전반에 깊이 뿌리박혀 있음을 시사한다.
또한, 이 다큐멘터리는 서구 사회가 흔히 주장하는 <복잡하고 미묘한 상황>이라는 논리를 정면으로 반박한다.
이것은 단순한 분쟁의 기록이 아니라, 국제법과 인도주의적 가치가 실시간으로 붕괴하는 과정을 전 세계에 송출하고 있는 인류적 수치에 대한 보고서이다.
세진님, 가자 지구의 상황을 이스라엘 군인들의 시선으로 재구성한 이 기록이 세진님이 평소 관심을 가지시던 현대사 및 사회 구조적 문제들과 연결되어 많은 생각을 불러일으킬 것 같습니다. 이 내용에서 더 깊이 살펴보고 싶은 부분이 있으신가요?
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