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What does “the wind rises, we must try to live” mean? : r/ghibli

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What does “the wind rises, we must try to live” mean?

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pandorah94

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3y ago

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oo ok I love this poem and I love this and I have too many things to say. There are multiple layers to this because there is what the poem is saying, what the story of movie is saying, and also it is a farewell letter from Miyazaki. The poem is really good, it's melancholy and beautiful and very Miyazaki. The author ruminates on the beauty of life and what it means to die and then at the end he says and "now I have to live my life!" It feels like he is saying look, I wrote you this poem about dying, and now you will do with it as you will and I just have to go figure out a way to live my life. I think lots of artists relate to this. Firstly, you can't control how people interpret your art and therefor something you make can be misinterpreted by your audience and there is nothing you can do to change it. Additionally making art can be emotionally difficult and afterwords you can feel like you are left with nothing but the pain it left behind. Being an artist carries a heavy burden. Jiro is an artist. And he creates his art because he needs to but then others take it and use it to their own benefit. He feels so artistically driven to make this plane that he does it even though he knows that it will be used to kill and he morally objects to it. Miyazaki feels similarly. His first move The Castle of Cagliostro is a great movie but it heavily contributed to the development of the Lolita anime craze that still continues to this day. Miyazaki knows this and feels that his art has been taken and turned into something that promotes the sexualization of young girls, which he detests. And this movie was him saying look at all this art I made you, now I look to death (or retirement lol supposedly;) ) and now I have to find a way to live. That's just some of my thoughts, sorry it's so long, would love to discuss.

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3y ago

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I loved your analysis. After thinking, I decided to believe it’s about dreams. You have this dream, but the wind rises, meaning change is coming, unexpected ventures that will challenge you deeply. We must try to live, meaning we have to find our way around it and fulfill our dreams how we can. I love this because it’s both ideal and real. Maybe we won’t be capable to get what we wanted exactly the way we did, and maybe reality is so harsh we might not be able to get much. But we must try to live, because it’s the only way to be happy. Try to live, the word is more real and beautiful than I first thought. Because life is about hope, sadness reality and dreams. So whatever makes you happy, live the way you want, that’s what you have to do when change comes. Your dream is your goal, trying to live, the path you choose to walk.

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zappachem

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1y ago

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Holy shit thank you this is beautiful

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3y ago

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The winds of a new era are blowing and we must live through the chaotic transitory stage.

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2y ago

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What I think it means at its core? “Shit happens” some things happen that can be bad, if it happens you just have to move on

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3y ago

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GillisL

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2y ago

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Sorry for a late entry, but I would just like to add a cent or two to the discussion, consisting of the fact that "Ghibli" is an italian word that means "a hot, dust-carrying desert wind from north africa"

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Livid_Celebration_87

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7mo ago

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I also like to think that there’s a parallel meaning to it, at the end when Jiro is talking about his wife he says that she is beautiful like the wind, and so “the wind rises” is also her leaving this world and going to heaven and he must continue on this world feeling the breeze that she left behind as she transcends while not letting the underlying pain of losing her carried by the wind make him fall into a dark place.

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Interesting_Dark9627

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10mo ago

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10mo ago

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u/pandorah94 I first watched this film about 4 years ago. Since that first time, I have watched it a dozen times at different points in my life. Every time I rewatch it I notice something new in the film that I never saw before. I loved it so much that I go “the wind rises, we must try to live” in the original French as a tattoo. When I first watched the film my understanding of the poem was solely based on the film. I thought that the wind was more of a connection to the “artist only live for 10 years” that Caproni says. So in my reasoning, the wind rising is your ability as an artist, meaning you need to live while the wind is still rising. Now reading all the comments I see certain things in a different light. Nahoko Satomi and her inevitable demise also echo this poem. The reason Jiro and Satomi marry is because their time is running out and they want to live as long as they can together before it ends. The disease that she has also affected the lungs, another parallel with air. The sanitorium is high in the sky just like Jiros planes. I understand what the original meaning of the poem is but I think there are many different interpretations that can take place. I do agree with your parallel of art being used not as the artists interpreted with how Jiro wants to make beautiful planes but they will all get bombs put in them. At the same time, I think Miyazaki wants us to mold this film around ourselves individually. To show us that you can find a reason to live. that all will be okay in the end. That we cannot simply stop living while the wind is rising.

Sorry for the scrambled thoughts I am writing this very late at night

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pandorah94

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10mo ago

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I totally agree and that’s actually part of what I was trying to say. I think that maybe Miyazaki’s acceptance of the whole concept of “death of the author” is one of the inspirations behind this whole movie. He has accepted that his work can be interpreted in any way by anyone and that is what he has to live with. Not just for this movie, for all of them.

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